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Aeroplane passengers should be restricted to two drinks at airports, Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary has said.

Mr O'Leary said introducing alcohol limits at airports would help tackle a rise in disorder on flights.

Violent outbursts are occurring weekly due to alcohol, he said, especially when it is mixed with other substances.

"We don't want to begrudge people having a drink," he told the Daily Telegraph.

"But we don't allow people to drink-drive, yet we keep putting them up in aircraft at 33,000ft."

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[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 146 points 3 months ago (7 children)

"But we don't allow people to drink-drive, yet we keep putting them up in aircraft at 33,000ft."

I didn't realise you had to fly the plane yourself on Ryanair now. That's one way to cut costs I guess...

[–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

That is uncomprehendingly stupid

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 86 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People are angry because of how absolutely shitty and evil ryan air is when they are abusing and stressing up their passengers with all their bullshit.

Otherwise airports are super calm (in the EU anyways).

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not in the US. I’d be fine with it but I don’t know how they’d enforce it. Most of the rowdy people would just get their friends to buy them drinks, or hop from bar to bar at the airport. I doubt they’d make people take a breathalyzer before serving them.

[–] Amroth@feddit.it 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

In EU they will not sell you almost anything already if you don't show your boarding pass. It is very easy to keep a drink counter per passenger.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where? I have never experienced this before.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

I don't think I've ever experienced this while flying in the EU, and I've done my fair share of it, living here and all.

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[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 60 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Considering how shitty flying economy is in general, it seems like a 2 drink minimum is need to even tolerate it.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 50 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Bit dismayed people in comments are focused on Ryanair or air travel in general.

It's never appropriate to be drunk and disorderly in public, especially if you are being a problem for staff. Doesn't matter if you are frustrated, or delayed.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Agree, but it's not on Ryanair to police that and should be at the discretion of the bar like it is everywhere else. If a bar overserves someone, fine them. If someone is unruly boarding or on a plane, either prevent them from boarding or ban them going forward and make the punishment hurt. There are plenty of people capable of drinking a handful of alcoholic beverages and functioning in public.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 months ago

The problem is that generally people who have several drinks lose their common sense, and you can't determine who will drink more and who will stop.

My father was an airline pilot, and often recounted stories of passengers who would become unruly and create safety concerns. He often used the expression "There are no road shoulders in the sky", meaning that if there are problems you can't simply pull over.

Also, most everybody who is drinking at an airport bar is boarding a flight, so if the drinker is drinking too much, they are going to bring the consequences of that over drinking on board.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

Totally. I just don't take any issue at all with a company calling out they wish there were less/no drunk folks on their flying metal tubes.

Unfortunately idiots ruin it for the rest of us, who can happily sit in their own seat with a buzz on

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

A crime has happened somewhere. Quick, call the CEO of an exploitative cost cutting company!

CEOs to the rescue again. Our heroes.

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 35 points 3 months ago

Ryan Air: No, it's the airports that are wrong.

[–] ettyblatant@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

"But we don't allow people to drink-drive, yet we keep putting them up in aircraft at 33,000ft."

Aaah, so the problem is drunk pilots. I can get behind a two-drink maximum for flying a plane. Although, in "Flight" the guy flew a plane upside down hammered...so maybe it should be a two-drink minimum to get maximum innovation.

ETA: I prob should have added /s

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The false equivalence in the article is frustrating. We don't allow people to drink and drive, but we do allow people to drink and ride. Contextually, I think the article is referring to drunk passengers being unruly, not pilots. If they are actually talking about pilots then it should be a 0 drink limit before a flight. Just punish the disorderly drunks, and let the rest of the adults, adult.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 12 points 3 months ago

Pilots already are forbidden from drinking before flights. I seem to recall a very strict policy about not drinking for at least 24 hours before a flight.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Generally there are no pilots who drink before a flight. All airline carry out spot tests, and pilots who fail will at the very least be suspended. Many airline have a zero tolerance policy, and will kick a pilot out if they test positive. Too high a risk for most pilots

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[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lol, maybe if conditions didn't get so shit in airports, fewer would crack

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let’s be honest. Any social norms about when drinking is socially acceptable go out the window at airports. It’s been that way as long as I can remember. But Ryan Air/Spirit/frontier passengers all kind of self select for having a miserable experience so I don’t blame them for trying to numb the pain.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ryanair boss prolly uses private jet with open bar and skips the lines at the airport

[–] tal@lemmy.today 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If he does, I assume that he's also not creating problems for other passengers.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I assume that he's also not creating problems for other passengers.

RyanAir Boss

I bet he is, lol

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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Me and my buddies were flying for vacation and we were in an airport that does that already. Somewhere in the southwest. So you just go to different airport bars every two drinks. Bar hopping isn't that brazen a concept.

Unless they start tying your purchases to your plane ticket, this just seems like it will create more mobile drunks. It would be nice if they actually enforced policies against people too drunk being allowed to board a plane. I've seen people that were very visibly drunk and loud walk right on.

I guess telling a super drunk person they can't board is more likely to instigate an scene than just waving them onboard and hoping they pass out. Aside from being annoyingly loud and drunk, I was only ever on one flight where someone became a problem, and basically they got into a drunken yelling match with someone next to them.

They got moved to a seat in the back and told if they didn't calm down for the rest of the flight, the police would be waiting for him. He grumbled about it and passed out.

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Yes, but its easier to deal with them on the ground than on the plane.

[–] cupboard@kbin.earth 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I get that Lemmy's kneejerk reaction is naturally that the big corporation's CEO is wrong and evil (he IS an asshole, at least), but drunk passengers on planes is an actual issue.

I have a couple of close relatives who've worked as air hostesses for Ryanair for years, and they mostly like the job except for summer flights from a specific European island country in which there's a big tradition of drinking a lot and big groups of men doing "guy trips" to my country either for specific football games or for the beaches. These usually involve an almost permanent state of drunkenness, getting into fights with locals, trashing places.

O'Leary's claim about inebriated people being hard to identify is partly bullshit from what my relatives tell me - they say that even when they can notice these groups are already drunk when boarding, Ryanair's staff isn't really comfortable policy wise in preventing them from boarding. Plane staff may refuse them alcohol on board but by then they're usually already in a state of general lack of control. I assume the company doesn't want to strenghten boarding rules in order not to lose these groups as customers, and staff gets shafted in the process. But these people shouldn't be getting this drunk on a plane (or in general).

[–] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So maybe should just get comfortable policy-wise with turning away passengers fucked in passengers at the gate.

A two drink maximum doesn’t stop me from snorting a fistful of ket in the cab, getting 1-2 drinks after security, then going ballistic during the flight. Getting turned away at the gate because I’m obviously kholed does stop me though.

The thing that works the best might cost Ryanair some money though, and we obviously can’t have that, won’t someone please think of the profits?

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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (8 children)

What if we made airports less shit, so people weren't spending so much time there, so people weren't as stressed about missing their flights.

I have never been stressed to get on a bus, you roll up, put your shit in it, and get on. No massive waits, no massive security line, just get on and the bus leaves. We should make airports more like this.

[–] sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Air travel is an infinitely more complex and involved problem to solve. There is no method of safely flying without going through mountains of bullshit first.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] SouthFresh@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What's the surcharge he's got in mind for this idea?

[–] Daeraxa@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago

Mandatory breath tests at the gate with additional fees to pay for every 0.01% over a certain limit (but if you pay up front you can get as pissed as you like)

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I never really understood why bars are so popular in airports.

Why anyone would want to get heavily drunk before flying is beyond me.

I can maybe see this being a thing way back during the prop days when engines were ridiculously loud and travel was very tiring, but those days have been long.

If you're really that bored even with access to modern technology, you're probably better off taking a sleeping pill.

[–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

Airport bars are crazy expensive too

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

I think drinking at airport bars can be fun. Everyone is on their way to somewhere else, no one is driving, so it can be really fun and chummy. Been drinking at an airport bar where a guy was buying everyone free rounds until the first person left for a flight. Pretty hilarious when a whole bar loudly booed a guy hustling off to his flight. 🤣

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I used to drink a lot but getting loaded before a flight just makes the whole ordeal so much less tolerable.

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[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

I dunno...maybe get people through the fucking airport before they can get that drunk

[–] roboto@feddit.org 12 points 3 months ago

Based Mr. O‘Leary I hope he finally makes flying accessible to everyone by introducing standing seats. I find it so inspiring that some CEOs actually care

[–] Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com 12 points 3 months ago (5 children)

People are shit at flying period. You should have to pass a test before being sold an airline ticket. Nothing fancy. Just the basic do's and don'ts of flying. Perhaps a psychological test for good measure and no skin walkers.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Do line up window middle isle front to back.

Don't dick about in the aisle

Do sit down and stay seated

Don't recline seat ever. You're just fucking up the person behind you

Do leave both middle arm rests free for the poor bastard sitting there

Don't leave the window shade open if the sun's beating in.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

No reclining? Fuck that shit-- most of my flights are long as hell and I'm not sitting ramrod straight for 14 hours. I can barely sleep as it is and those extra few degrees of tilt (plus a few beers) are the only thing that lets me get a couple hours passed out.

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[–] jeeva@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

How about two drinks, plus a free drink from the airline you're flying per half hour delayed? Seems more reasonable.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Ryanair wants to turn the airport into a pubcrawl.

Interesting.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Problem: Airports have multiple bars and lounges. There's no way to enforce that limit.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

You could tie it to your ticket like a punch card. When the bar does the standard Id check they'd also check your boarding pass and check if the name is the same then mark it / digitally update it. Even if they don't do a limit at the airport it would still be good to let the attendants on the flight know "alright this guy's already had 5 beers, don't serve him anything on the flight"

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[–] Regna@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Year, maybe Ryan Air could do with a one-drink-per-seat limit, as the main issue is usually the passengers that get drunk ON the flight. Worst flights have been from the UK, Ireland and from Poland. Maybe Ryan Air could stop serving alcohol ON these flights?

Jokes aside, stop flying Ryan Air.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This could potentially make the problem worse.

I could see people "pre-gaming" before they get to the airport. And if there is one thing I learned in college is that alcoholics pre-gaming can be a very dangerous thing

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