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JBP has got u bro (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/memes@lemmy.ml
 

Need a plate of generic, insipid platitudes with a giant helping of bad science and misogyny?

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[–] Arcity@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Mom: clean your room

Teen: shut up femoid!

JP: you need to clean your room to slay the dragon of chaos

Teen: OMG so true!

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is he the guy that went to Russia for coma treatment?

[–] Ukuli@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] WilloftheWest@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Depression is a myth; tidy your room. Also, I've been clinically depressed for my whole adult life and I shamble from one crisis to another."

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Does he say depression is a myth? And when you get a little respite from the darkness, picking up the depression den a bit feels amazing.

[–] MediumRareChicken@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I used to like him. I fell for the crap. To my 16 year old brain what he said made a lot of sense. He had a handful of good points, and it made me believe the rest of the shit he peddled.

I see him now, I look back on how I hung onto his words like a lost lamb, and I can only facepalm.

I realised that the only thing he is good at is marketing, not psychology...

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm still pissed that because he badly quotes and misinterprets Jung all the time, people assume Jung is bullshit by association.

[–] ondoyant@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

lots of people thought Jung was bullshit way before JBP came around.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Never take advice on personal responsibility from a guy who intentionally put himself in a coma to avoid taking responsibility for his addiction to a narcotic with zero medicinal properties.

[–] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's so weird for me that he seemed surprised that benzos are, in fact, highly addictive with severe withdraw symptoms. Isn't he a psychologist and potentially someone who is allowed to prescribe such drugs?

[–] amelia@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fortunately only psychiatrists can prescribe drugs and they're actual physicians.

[–] troutsushi@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

That's an important distinction that too few people understand:

Psychiatrists: medical doctors with a specialization in mental health who can prescribe drugs

Psychologists: trained professionals with an academic degree who provide mental health care by (generally) talking with you

Both are important health care providers, but they generally do very different things, and in a mental health crisis you best have one of each at hand.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net -1 points 2 years ago

Probably thought pill addiction was just a moral failure so couldn't possibly apply to him.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I just want to say that if you are/were a young man, and found some value in some of what this guy was saying to you...thats's OK. Don't feel bad, or embarrassed or mad at yourself or whatever. We are all learning all the time, and doubly so when we're young. Never think that you can't take what is useful and reject what isn't. Fuck knows there is plenty to reject about what this dude says!

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Something something broken clocks.

"Clean your room, bucko" is advice many people's moms tried to give them but too many of them had to hear it from a cryptofascist crank LARPing as the world's father figure before they listened to it.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I get it. I'm actually thinking of a particular friend of mine. He lost his father at 14, and his mom isn't the greatest parent. He told me Peterson was kind of exactly what he needed at a tough time in his life. Fortunately, he's always been a smart kid, and saw through the toxic shit. Five years later and he's a queer communist! I guess I'm just saying that if you really needed to hear "clean your room" from a father figure, and it helped you... don't feel bad that Peterson was the guy who filled that role at the time. Obviously I'm speaking to people who have grown to see him differently now.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I like how every year he somehow gets worse. I didn't think he could descend further from professor so annoying he refuses to call students by their preferred names. After the Zizek debate where he had no clue what he was talking about, he's become like a Charles Dickens character. He's like a crazy uncle kept in the attic because he's lost his mind from laudanum.

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago

I hate Zizek but boy did Zizek make Peterson look bad in that debate (though, it’s not hard)

[–] frankfurt_schoolgirl@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most of his fans have never really read his more academic works (like the one with the grandma sex dream). So, I guess they like his vibe. But his vibe is weepy alcoholic. What's so great about that?

I recently had a fairly high fever and became pretty emotional over absolutely mundane shit. JBP talks and acts like has a brain damaging fever every day of his life.

[–] poeticstuff@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This kind of post is what I was hoping to leave behind with Reddit.

[–] ThePac@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

JP fan spotted

[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Oh god, this is so embarassing for us as a society. Young men look for guidance, and all they find is Rape Tate who tells you to be an alpha male by just being obnoxiously "superior" to others.
John Peanutbutter who tells you to be an alpha male but with science in your brain
fresh and fit who tell you to be alpha males but by figuratively just shaming women
and on the opposite side you have nothing for a while and then you have destiny and hasan who try to make you debate like highschoolers.

Is the world just full of grifters now?

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yyyyeeeeeeessssssss

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago

They need to look to Jesus as their rolemodel instead

[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago

They are just the new versions religious preachers. Really the same thing fubdamentally

[–] Powerbomb@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Att least before his drug auxin, he wasn't that bad and there were some alright takeaways between the lines.

Now it's just sick ramblings from a diseased man.

[–] newerAccountWhoDis@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The problem has always been that he took (quite simplistic) valid life advise such as 'keep your living quarters in order' and mixed it with ideological bullshit such as 'hierarchies are entirely natural' or 'women should be subservient'.

[–] Powerbomb@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, hence the "between the lines" part

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago

up-yours-woke-moralists you tell them bucko! They need to be prescise in their speech

Peterson only became famous for being a bigot

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net -1 points 2 years ago

He got famous for being a transphobe who misrepresented some propsed Canadian law to pretend to be oppressed. He was always bad

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I hate it when people bitch about the left "not having gurus to help lost young people" or whatever when the right's so-called gurus are worthless sacks of skin like Peterson. Also I'm here because I - in very emphatic terms - do not want a guru.

[–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's really annoying because personal growth is not even remotely relevant to politics. The left can't "make you a man" because that's something you do on your own. It implies a specific set of ideas about maturity, relationships, and various other things which are your own problem. The right wants to fit you into the hierarchy, so they'll make you a certain thing to fit. We don't, so it's your job to figure out if you want to be a man or a woman or something else, and what it means to reach that. We don't give leftist dating advice because it doesn't make sense, we're not writing a script for you to follow. Just respect potential partners and maybe one will become a partner you respect. Whether you start a family or find someone isn't our political project because we don't want to make you pump out kids for the factories that obey authority.

[–] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

That's precisely why the left will keep losing men. And as I see it, left is going to lose men faster as time goes on unless something changes.

People can't figure out life on their own. That's reality. Especially with the current state of economy where the young men are doing very poorly in droves. And then the left just tells them: go figure it out on your own. Well fuck.

Meanwhile, the right will say shit like: go work out, improve yourself, do this and that to make more money, and you will get your life together, you will own a home, you will get a wife, etc. You're right, these advices aren't even political. But they are real advices, which people like JBP gives. And for the majority of their main points, they are actually good messages, crazy ones aside. Sure, the political right isn't actually gonna do shit for men, but they have real advices. Things people can follow and have hope. It's surely more enticing than what the left preaches.

The rebuttal from the left is often absolutely terrible messages and say things like "just don't rape women" or "just respect potential partners" which just drives people away further. These are not real advices. These only make sense if you view men already in a negative light. It's not actionable advice if they're not a horrible person already. Left demonizes men, like you just did, whether you realize it or not. If a man views themselves as a good person already and the message they get is "just respect potential partners" which they already do, and still clearly achieving nothing. You get two outcomes. At best: you helped nobody. At worst: they now think you think they're horrible because the reward isn't coming with the advised action. So one side says you're horrible and the other side says you have a future. Who will they stick with? Seems obvious to me.

Imagine the gender flip of that message. "Just don't be bitch." How would that message be perceived by women?

Even Andrew Tate has objectively better actionable messages for the men than the left. He constantly says stuff like go to the gym and work out. Does that actually help in the goal of dating? Fuck yeah. Actual cause and reward. These are real advices for men.

You can't expect people to write their own script. Vast majority clearly can't. They need guidance. And left has none to give. Until that time comes, people like JBP and Andrew Tate will continue to sweep in the young male audience, especially in an era where fatherless boys are more bountiful than ever.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Haven't heard about him in ages. I just assumed Joe Rogan had nicked his audience.

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh God. He's on his supervillain arc (this isn't even his final suit).

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can help you as well. Just turn to Hedonism, which is pretty much the opposite of what Jelly B Peanutbutter tells you to do.
Quit your job, become an artist. Heck, become a twitch streamer, I don't care. Try to do what brings you joy. And remember to eat the rich.

[–] Epicmulch@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago

I'm genuinely sorry to hear that

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