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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Telegramm and "safe"?

Sorry, but these people must have been living under a rock (which actually is quite likely as we are talking about Russia).

Telegram has control over the content and channels and has been working with governments in the past.

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

This is what happens when western people read such articles. They turn into denial. Telegram is basically the safest place in Russia's digital space.

these people must have been living under a rock

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet. They spend more time in it because real life sucks more than in other countries.

Telegram has control over the content and channels

Doesn't mean anything. Especially for groups who just want to communicate.

has been working with governments in the past

There is not enough evidence to support the probability of telegram making steps to make finding gay people easier for Russian authorities.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Telegram is basically the safest place in Russia's digital space.

Yep. Alternatives are:

  1. Mailru trash - comrade major knows everything
  2. VK trash - comrade major knows everything
  3. Whatsapp - comrade major knows your phone number, which means he knows who you are

Everything else is not popular.

these people must have been living under a rock

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet.

Putin does try to bring Russia into stone age. Russians are very advanced thanks for 1990-2016 period when goverment didn't try to destroy internet.

They spend more time in it because real life sucks more than in other countries.

This is true. We probably have second worst healthcare after America.

[–] Contravariant@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is signal not a viable option? Or can you still not use it without leaking your phone-number?

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not sure about Signal. I remember times when it was phone number focused. Having visible phone number in Russia means FSB might knock on your door.

The only thing better than telegram I can think of and relatively popular is Matrix. But even in my university I don't know about anyone else, who uses it.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Telegram requires a phone number. That's a none starter for me. There's a huge number of services that don't. This might as well be a honey pot for trapping more lgbt people. Russia has used dating services before in their crackdowns.

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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet.

I do not doubt that for marginalized groups such as the LGBTQ comunity, who have to watch every step they do. But given the restrictions placed on everyday online services in Russia I'd assume the average citizen has harder time.

Doesn't mean anything. Especially for groups who just want to communicate.

A subset of society that's marginalized at best and killed at the worst doesn't care about who can read and influence their communication? That seems highly shortsighted to me.

There is not enough evidence to support the probability of telegram making steps to make finding gay people easier for Russian authorities.

That we know of. Given that the company behind Telegram has been involved in various sketchy situations I wouldn't bet my wellbeing on a service that might or might not share information with a corrupt government..

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Coming soon to the U.S. courtesy of the GOP.

Conservatism is a plague.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Resol@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

And the Netherlands with Wilders

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There's a Russian guy I know in some... adult roleplay circles.., kinkiest chap I know. I worry about him... He tried telling me Telegram was "safer", didn't know what he meant.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

He meant it is not controlled by FSB like VK and mailru shit and doesn't show phone number to entire world like whatsapp.

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