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[–] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Legit had someone from my last job start going on a break room tirade about how "those damn unions just want your money" but strangely had no rebuttal when asked why giving them 2% of your paycheck is a bad thing when they negotiated your RAISE to be 15% and your health benefits add up to an additional savings of around 20%.

I'm SO SORRY you're getting extra money and healthcare rather than the NOTHING you had before.

Nowadays I like to print up cards with unionizing information on them, facts vs myths, links to read up more, anti-union tactics, links to join unions, links to find HELP setting up a union, and basically anything I could cram into a business card. Now I leave about 10 of them any time I go into a non union store.

Given how previous management has reacted to "someone" leaving these in the break room, I'm sure I've caused a few sleepless nights.

[–] Spuddaccino@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For union dues, I'll sometimes bring up strikes. People know that when unions strike, they aren't working, and when they aren't working, they aren't getting paid. What they don't realize is that most unions pay the employees during strikes, and that money has to come from somewhere.

[–] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're literally partially making sure you still get PAID when shit happens.

Very good point, and I honestly wonder how common that knowledge even is.

Then again, almost all anti-union propaganda hinges on people not knowing enough about the subject to call it out. As with most propaganda.

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would be worried the Union management isn't corrupt though.

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 2 years ago

That's something to worry about in every arena that involves money, not just unions. It's just a fact of life that there are crooks and liars in the world.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s the same people that don’t get socialised healthcare. Union fees are like a tax that’s used to pay people to do work for you, in the case of worker unions, people that negotiate working conditions, benefits, and wages, in addition to lawyers that can both offer legal advice and representation should you be in need of it.

Here in Sweden we have lots of different unions. We have a tenants union that negotiate rent increases, ensure that landlords do their end of the contract, and will help you with legal proceedings should it be required.

There are also various “customer owned” institutions, like my bank, insurance company, and the grocery store I get most of my groceries from. The goal isn’t necessarily massive profits, but enough to sustain and develop the services, with surplus going back to the owners, that is the customers.

It just makes sense. We all make use of schools as children, so funding that with taxes makes sense. It ensures everyone gets a good education, and at least one good meal per day. Same thing applies to healthcare.

[–] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

My mother WORKS IN HEALTHCARE as the intermediary for the hospital network and the insurance companies.

She literally sees the Financials of people every fucking day.

And still she thinks socialized Healthcare would tank the entire US. I've shown charts, studies, anecdotal evidence out the wazoo (which is where anecdotal evidence usually comes from) But no, I can't possibly be right about this, it would mean someone who got stabbed will have to wait on 600 people with the sniffles to be seen by a doctor in 6 months. Because I guess in socialized medicine, triage doesn't exist? You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into.

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago

Is union life for you?

It depends. Probably yes, unless your employer pulls shit like this, in which case you should have joined yesterday

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My union dues last pay? 30 dollars. My union just got the government of Ontario, the shitbag conservatives, who tried to illegally withhold raises from us, and won. My union guarantees I get a set wage because they bargain for it.

My wife's union costs her $8 a paycheck.

It also gave her 9 more PTO days, better healthcare, and negotiated to triple any outside-of-work calls because the company used to do a thing where they would send you home, and then call you back later. Wtf.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Boss: kids your age are so incredibly arrogant. You think you deserve the world.

Me: we are the same age.

Boss: huh

This actually happened.

[–] KiLlEr10312@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

People really out here thinking that if you're a supervisor you just get like 20 years older lmao

[–] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Gorgeous_Sloth@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m from France where unions are kinda everywhere and workers rights well protected : what the hell is this ? Is it real ?

[–] alex@jlai.lu 1 points 2 years ago

Fellow French - wait until you realize their unions only apply to one company and not a whole industry so they can't actually do anything on a large scale. This broke me.

[–] InspiringOne@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Amazon can pay/fund for the NFL because it only exists because of this one guy, maybe that’s where everyone plans to spend money from gambling winnings because there isn’t that many or enough websites meaning Amazon has to exist to make it easier, or because no one else supported sports betting or any gambling.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There's no guarantee you will get more money! Get the same money or less guaranteed instead!

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Hasn't Amazon been caught deducting pay arbitrarily from delivery drivers?

In fact, given a lot of them seem to be able to be terminated at a moment's notice, so no guarantees of pay there either. And work rules? What?

Oh and talking to someone paid by the company about your grievances Vs someone independent seems like a worse alternative than the final bubble.

Man, these guys really suck at propaganda

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Get informed"

Bold of you to tell people to do something that dangerous, Amazon.

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Obviously that image is of a manager, you can tell by its over confident and under qualified stance.

[–] thatsage@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Lol how to convince someone exactly the opposite of what you want

[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No guarantees on pay, benefits, or work rules

Uuuhhhhhhh, isn't that the current state and literally what unions are for? Setting guarantees for all that shit?

[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the whole point is having a legally binding contract that sets wages, hours, and working conditions. Also the "going through your union instead of your manager" is super dumb. It's like saying, "why talk to your lawyer when you can just confess to the police?"

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There are some serious issues with unions. For instance sometimes workers are tricked into signing papers that allow the union to have control over the worker. I'm not condoning Amazon but to say Unions aren't always great.

As always you should make up your own mind