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[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

I am convinced this is a troll.

Retaliation to haters posted in a wholesome sub.

Pit Bulls being the most hated breed of dog out there (and for good reason).

OP calling everyone a "Dog Racist"

Each year 60% to 80% of dog attacks are caused by a single breed, fuck these animals. A Chihuahua may be more aggressive, but a person can easily fight those things off, a pit will lock onto anything and won't release till they're dead.

Retrievers retrieve, Pointers point & Pit Bulls are made to fight, its in their nature.

Edit: go ahead and down vote OP. Watch as that doesn't change my opinion.

[–] HungLikeAHoers2010@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 days ago

OP must be an American. Can’t convince me otherwise.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

fuck these animals

Eh the animals did nothing wrong. They didn't ask to be born as the artificially selected abominations we've made them into. Fuck people who continue to breed these animals and don't spay/neuter their pits.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'd love a study on what kind of masters the bloodthirsty dogs have. I'm willing to bet those dogs had masters that encouraged the behavior or got them because the breed is macho and never intended to be responsible about it.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Plenty of breeds of dogs are bought by bad owners with the intention of being used as attack dogs. But there is no way you can write off such an overwhelming percentage of pit bull attacks to this reasoning.

Every time a pit bull attacks anything you will always see this argument brought up to defend the breed. If this was truly the case other breeds of dogs would be high up on the list too (Rottweilers and German Shepards come to mind). But they aren't even close to the percentage of Pit attacks.

Some attacks can be attributed to this fact, but because pit bulls alone make a majority of attacks across all breeds indicates that this cannot be the case.

Additionally out of all breeds of dog, I couldn't think of a worse breed biting me. All dogs attack, but many bite and release, pits don't.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, pitbulls aren't dangerous for the occurrence of attacks but because when they do they cause the most damage. Most people don't report a small dog if they cause no major damage.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Exactly. Which is the main reason I posted the fatalities graph instead of just attacks. People aren't as likely to report a small dog biting them, but you have to keep a report of deaths caused.

And an average of 67% of all fatalities is far beyond the expected amount caused by "bad owners".

[–] cor@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago

breed was responsible for 22.5% of bites across all studies. Mixed breeds were a close second at 21.2% and German Shepherds were the third most dangerous breed, involved in 17.8% of bite incidents.

where the fuck do you get 60-80%???

also, 100% of dog fights use pit bulls…

abused dogs lead to bites….

aka, it’s the owner’s fault.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

This is bullshit. In more than half of dog bites the breed is unknown. So that's the end of your line of reasoning. You simply don't know and cannot say their "nature."

They were bred for hunting. Some people used some of them for fighting dogs years after they were first bred and used for decades as hunting dogs. Of the few that were used in fighting, dogs that bit humans were not allowed to fight and so were euthanized

Edit: abject know-nothings and science deniers downvoting me.

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[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Just a head's up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack, there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.

Anybody telling you pits are responsible for any percentage of dog attacks is lying by giving a number not scientifically achieved.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.

Do you have any evidence to support this statement? It would need to be pretty substantial to offset the large proportion of Pit Bull breeds.

I dont say this to be dismissive, I would actually be pretty interested in reading what you have.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

< crickets >

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just a head's up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack.

Your link doesn't address the point you made above, it's just a list of dogs mistaken for specifically "American pit bull terriers", it doesn't mention police DNA tests or reports, it says nothing.

Besides im talking about Pit Bulls in general which (Per the statement I made previously to another commenter on this post) is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers. In the United States, the term is usually considered to include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and sometimes the American Bulldog.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Additionally the list you provided is half-filled out by the dogs that come under the pit bull breed. It even states that many dogs fall under the pit bull specification, which is why it singles out the American pit bull terrier in order to draw a distinction to them rather than say American Bullies.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The world's first ever police DNA program started in the UK in 2021, and it was created for dog thefts, not dog attacks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-57578701

And seeing that there is no national database of all precinct's police reports, you will have to go to your police department and see for yourself that they are not even cataloguing the breeds per attack.

As for your comment that there are 5 dogs that fall under the umbrella term of pit bull, that actually helps my original point that these lists are unscientific. Chihauhas aren't lumped together with Mexican shorthairs when the numbers are tallied, neither is any dog lumped with their types. These lists also don't break down which of the pit types are most responsible for the most attacks.

  1. because the numbers aren't collected by anybody, meaning the lists are lying, and
  2. if the pit types were separated by their actual breed, the numbers would show an average or a slightly higher rate of aggression, not the majority of all attacks.

I would also point out that almost none of these lists you read online include German Shephards, which is strange since they tend to be the only dog in the US that is commissioned as Police Officer and are frequently attacking people as part of their job. Further evidence that these lists are unscientific and politically motivated.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

not a single police department in the nation DNA tests.

So you made this statement without knowing if it was true or not as you go on to say that "there is no national database of all precinct's police reports, you will have to go to your police department and see for yourself".

Bad faith arguments always end with "go and find out for yourself".

Can I ask what do you think the word breed means? It's not a specific dog, it's a term to describe a grouping of dogs (Shepards for example). And out of the 300 plus recognised groupings/breeds of dog, Pitbulls kill more than all of them combined. Even if you split it down to each sub-grouping, the dogs under the umbrella term "Pit Bull" still vastly outstrip all other dogs in attacks and fatalities.

I would also point out that almost none of these lists you read online include German Shephards, which is strange since they tend to be the only dog in the US that is commissioned as Police Officer and are frequently attacking people as part of their job. Further evidence that these lists are unscientific and politically motivated.

In this post I provided another commenter a breakdown of fatalities caused by dogs and the graph shows German shepherds specifically cause less than 3% of fatalities over 16 years. Meanwhile the 5 dogs that make up Pit Bulls are responsible for an average of 67%.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago

Again, there is no database of dog genetics that police maintain in the US, unless it was created after 2021.

Meaning all the stats you have are based solely on media reports of dog attacks and not actual dog attacks.

You can also contact the people compiling the lists. If they respond, they will admit that they do not track the rate of attacks committed by German Shepherds in the line of duty.

We also know that Cane Corso's probably attack a few people per year, yet almost every list excludes them... Because they are counted towards pit bulls.

If you can provide an actual scientifically validated list, I am happy to see it. Otherwise your numbers are fiction and you know it.

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[–] cloudless@lemmy.cafe 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/

In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/

In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.

https://journals.lww.com/annalsofsurgery/Abstract/2011/04000/Mortality,_Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Your data was true 13-15 years ago, doesn't mean it is true today.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't mean it's wrong either; try to provide something to say otherwise.

Also how old does data need to be before it's dismissed as 'too old'?

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's up to you.

What other subjects do you accept almost 20 year old data on? Do you go back 50 years? What is the cut off for you in all subjects, or is pit bulls the only subject you don't have a standard for?

[–] Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago

did pitbull behavior change in 20 years. they suddenly became goody good dogs?

i'd say it's relevant until today and well into the future.

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[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I did not call everyone a dog rasict, I called the person say it was good that pitbull were being put down in the UK a dog rasict. But by your logic, we should have killed all Germans in WW2 because Germany was the home on the Nazi party and killed millions of people, but that's wrong because not every Germany killed a person. And to say that we should kill something because it's "in there nature" is harmful to all life because it sets an unrealistic expectation of what it is like. I'm not gonna deny that pitbulls attack people, but a dog rarely attacks people for nothing, and often the reason is out of fear or abuse.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Dude if you have to bring up Nazi Germany to defend your stance then you have already lost.

There are over 300 recognised dog breeds, and one of them is responsible for more than half of all attacks.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dogs aren't people. We kill it eliminate troublesome breeds/species all the time. Ex: Japanese hornet

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Japanese hornet was an invasive species to the Americans and thus was removed, but it's not being exterminated in mass in Japan and other areas the hornets call home. And for you to say that because an animal isn't human is basically saying it has no soul and doesn't feel emotions, or at least that how you come across.

[–] Bobmighty@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Those aren't actually OPs dogs. This is a bait.

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[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

What a shitty post.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I don't really have a problem with any dog specifically.

But I don't think there is any reason to have something like a pitbull unless you absolutely need it for security.

Largely they should be bred out of existence. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't include other breeds like pugs and maybe even something like a poodle.

Pretty much every dog is great but you don't need a pitbull, get something else. For the love of god don't get a pug or I'll think you're a cunt.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So glad the UK outlawed these bully xl things. Not a day goes by it doesn't maul one child or another

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I like pitbulls and don't know if this is bait (perhaps you didn't realize the obvious response you'd get?) but this post should be removed either way.

Worst comment section I've ever seen in this community

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

There's two types of people: those who hate pitbulls, and those who's pitbull hasn't mauled someone yet.

[–] PM_ME_SNEKS_IN_HATS@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Its so odd how people defend the continued existence of these creatures.

What kind of twisted brain do you need to have, to defend something that regularly attacks and injures, sometimes even kills completely innocent people.

[–] illi@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What kind of twisted brain do you need to have, to defend something that regularly attacks and injures, sometimes even kills completely innocent people.

You also just described a human.

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

There are over 2 million animal species on Earth, and one species is responsible for 99.9% of all lethal attacks. Ban Humans (from existing)!

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[–] Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I had two roommates who both had pitbulls. Both very loving owners. These dogs were treated right. But they could not coexist.

After one fight too many, one of the owners got mauled by his own dog after trying to break the dogs up. He almost lost his hand.

Ban pitbulls.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

"BuT mY WiTtLe pRiNcEsS WoUlD NeVeR HuRt a FlY!"

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Wow, lots of people with strong feelings whose version of "I did my research!" is remembering what stories the newspapers wrote because they knew it would spark outrage and attract eyeballs, and hearsay on friend-of-a-friend stories.

So called "bully breeds" are the best dogs I've ever met. I fucking love cuddling with those meatheads. Cane Corsos, Dobermans, and Rottweilers are amazing, loyal, and loving, too.

I've been bitten and needed stitches from both a Chihuahua and a Poodle. My daughter was bit by a absolute shit of a Bichon, and my ex was bit by a Husky when she was a kid. Fuck those dogs we should outlaw and euthanize them all, right breed-banners? Or maybe it does indeed have to do a LOT with nurture, and very little with nature? (or in the case of my ex (according to her Mom) because she wouldn't stop harassing the dog).

However, I've met some nice poodles and chihuahuas and huskies too (not bichons though, little assholes), but I'm not so fucking dumb and shallow as to say we need to outlaw them all, just that owners should absolutely be responsible and liable for their pets' behaviour.

PS - OP your dogs are cute as hell. Look at those smiles!

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Chihuahuas are demonic little shits, and if they were the same size as a pitbull, they'd be banned everywhere. The only reason they're tolerated is because they're too small to do any major damage.

[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thank you, and yes, your absolutely right. Any dog is capable of violence, but I think the reason pitbulls have this reputation is because many people want them as an attack/defense dog and don't actually know how to care for them in a way that keeps them calm.

[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Same could be said for Rotties, Dobermans, Shepherds, and so on. It's not the dogs that are shitty; it's the people that own them. Address that problem and leave the dogs alone FFS.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

This is the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument.

Sufficiently powerful projectile weapons require a license, training, etc. Dogs should be no different.

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