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[-] mynamesnotrick@lemmy.zip 222 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Meanwhile in the usa... Our very own real estate fraudster with 91 felony charges is the pick of 50% of the country to be president.

That was bizarre to type. I can't believe this is reality.

[-] zcd@lemmy.ca 80 points 1 month ago

You didn’t even mention the raping

[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

We're taking about the rich, it's implied

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[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 month ago

Trump has more felony charges than Biden has years of age

[-] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago

'Nam wins again.

[-] ghostface@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Or the fact the other real estate fraudsters who admitted dont convict Trump of the crime we are also doing!

I can't say nothing will happen to them as I thought, nothing would happen to Trump and here we are.

I also have a biy more respect for giving someone enough rope to hang themselves. If Trump would of been stopped before his presidency, due to all of the reason any previous candidate would of been disqualified. We wouldn't be here either.

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[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

The 67-year-old chair of the real estate company Van Thinh Phat was formally charged with fraud amounting to $12.5 billion — nearly 3% of the country’s 2022 GDP.

Wow, when your fraud starts being measured in "percentage of GDP" you know you got too greedy.

[-] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

According to prosecutors, over a period of three years from February 2019, she ordered her driver to withdraw 108 trillion Vietnamese dong, more than $4bn (£2.3bn) in cash from the bank, and store it in her basement.

That much cash, even if all of it was in Vietnam's largest denomination banknotes, would weigh two tonnes.

From a BBC article

[-] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 month ago

Dang, that's a lotta dong.

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[-] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 month ago

I think people like her deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison, but no crime, no matter how severe, deserves a death penalty.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nah, make the rich afraid again. We can talk red rose pacifism once the ultrawealthy are out of the picture.

[-] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

But when the death penalty is available, it's not just the ultra wealthy who suffer. It's far easier for the ultra wealthy to use their resources to frame someone they don't like as a murderer or something and get that person executed. It's even easier for the state to do that if they are corrupt enough. I'd much rather not give the state the right to sentence anyone to death at any point. Make these ultra rich criminals go to prison for the rest of their lives, make it unpardonable too.

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’d much rather not give the state the right to sentence anyone to death at any point.

Not every country has a genocidal fascist regime as a government. Viet Nam is definitely not one of those.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago
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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 month ago
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[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 month ago

Finally some good fucking news!

Now if only we could do this to blackrock execs in burgerland

[-] vikinghoarder@infosec.pub 29 points 1 month ago

I don't believe these things happen because of great work or investigations, she must have stepped on someone else's toes or something, that's the only way influential people go down...

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

There's your answer:

Her actions “not only violate the property management rights of individuals and organizations but also push SCB (Saigon Joint Stock Commercial Bank) into a state of special control; eroding people’s trust in the leadership of the Party and State,”

[-] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 month ago

Is this stepping on someone's toes? "If we don't hold rich people accountable, people will think we don't hold rich people accountable".

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[-] pdxfed@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

When rich people get affected, people go down

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 month ago

Vietnam continues to win.

[-] jwing@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago
[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

Do both the genocidal candidates actually

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

This but unironically.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago

sucks to be a criminal billionaire in a socialist-ish country

[-] antidote101@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Doing a multi billion dollar realestate fraud, in a semi-communist "Socialist Oriented Market Economy"....

...yeah the penalty is gonna be on the steep side. Landlords, rent seekers, and fraudsters aren't looked upon nicely anywhere, but particularly so in a country with that relationship to communism.

Landlords aren't generally considered communal minded. Fraud isn't good for the community, it's not done for the collective good.

The immune system of the masses has weeded out the what was going on here, and will deal with it via putting the perpetrator to death. Making sure this outrageous and damaging conduct will not continue or be encouraged.

It's a tough call, and they're making it.

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[-] HonestMistake_@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

I'm usually not fond of the death penalty, but these are the kind of people it should be reserved for.

[-] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

Meh, could have just as easily seized her assets and prison forever

iirc the death sentence is just being used as a motivation for her to return all the stuff she got from corruption and if she does it'll be downgraded to life in prison

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago
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[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 19 points 1 month ago

I don't support the death penalty, but I do support harsh punishment for this kind of massive scale fraud.

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[-] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Great for them! Happy for you Vietnam 🙂

[-] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Has the death penalty been used for this sort of crime before in Vietnam and has it been effective at deterring others in a measurable way?

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago

In Vietnam? Not sure. The French seemed to have a lasting benefit from doing this to every landlord they could lay hands on in the late 1700s, though.

[-] hellequin67@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

Has the death sentence been a deterrent for any crime?

[-] CluckN@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Singapore kills drug dealers which is a bit scary.

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[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The death penalty in this case isn't to deter future crime of the same type. It's to remove a specific type of malignant cancer from society and ensure that it can't spread to others. All of her cohorts that could be punished were sentenced for a range of time and a fine as is appropriate.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 11 points 1 month ago

Wait, so in other countries… fraud has consequences?

…negative consequences?

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

I read the article and I know her fraud was extensive but - anyone else feel like the death penalty for fraud is a bit over the top?

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

12.5 billion in fraud? Nah.

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[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not just "fraud." She cost people's livelihood, broke up families, and made people homeless directly through her actions. Even speaking as a marxist, banking isn't all intangible made up stuff. There are real individuals suffering consequences, and most of them aren't just rich people doing rich people things.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

Personally, I don't think she should ever be allowed to die until she pays back her debt to society. Death is too easy.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Whether the death penalty should exist at all is a separate question, but Marxists generally recognize Engels’ conception of social murder.

When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them, through the strong arm of the law, to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains.

[-] Inui@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

Assuming we're okay with the death penalty at all, no. As the other user said, this isn't just "fraud". The reason I suspect you are feeling this way is because it is hard to directly see the impact of their actions as violence against people in the same way as a murderer. But with crimes like this, which are typically given a monetary fine if that in other countries, there are potentially millions of people harmed by their actions. Their health, finances, personal and social relationships, employment, etc all may be impacted by "white collar" crimes. It can easily be argued that they deserve worse punishment (under a punishment-centric system) than murderers because of the scale of their actions. People just don't make that connection because they're not literally pulling a trigger.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Just about the only thing I agree with for the death penalty. Everything else can be reformed or quarantined. Wealth and power are cancerous. Doesn't matter where they are, they will never stop trying to take over, and total destruction is the only way to ensure they never get loose to wreak havoc on millions of us ever again.

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