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SNAP shouldn't be necessary for anyone who works. The fact that in America someone can have a job and yet still needs SNAP to survive is absolutely disgusting and disrespectful. Pay people a living wage jfc.
I disagree. Pay people UBI so any job automatically becomes a living wage.
You're both right.
Isn't that what SNAP already is!? Ohhh snap!
Nope, SNAP is food assistance, meaning you get a couple hundred dollars to spend on groceries. UBI is cash you can spend on anything.
A new law should be passed, if you have a job and qualify for SNAP then your employer needs to increase your pay by 100 percent until you don't qualify for SNAP anymore.
Or we just stop the system where the corporations could buy laws to enable this, and their brutal enforcement.
The reason why laws are important, why you believe they're just, is because they're supposed to be the aggregate will of the people, and in practice, they're just not.
The only people ive ever talked to who thought the state should need to support someone who was working full time with food and housing and stuff is tankies, actual ML's who believed that that should be the core of the state. I guess in their ideal world there wouldn't be anything fucked up about that, but we don't live there.
It's not just the laws that are fucked here, its the entire system of law as thing that expresses and protects what people and communities want that has been almost precisely reversed in function, and whose enforcers make all of us live in fear. That's what needs to be fixed. The underlying systems that are not doing what it says on the package, because that's not what they were ever for. To continue trying to tweak the gun to your head until it cleans dirt off your floor is insane and unreasonable.
What did the Walton's for example actually do to control this much of the economy, to direct so much of it to their own whims and personal enrichment with no regard for or even explicit exclusion of the rest of us? Who thinks it was anything that deserved that kind of wealth?
Edit: yeah, 'just'. Repeating wasted labor to fix a system that's working perfectly an only wants to manipulate you is a lot more work with greater human cost than ripping the band-aid off and remaking society.
I have a chud ex-friend who died on the hill of defending the Waltons (and other maga bs). Dude had always been an asshole but reached new lows of pathetic boot-licking with the Waltons. It's seems strange but that's actually the hegemonic ideology. Completely normal.
Right. They are stealing your livelihood from both ends, not living up to their side of the bargain and blame you for this problem. America s should all collectively not show up to work for a week and see if the tune changes, cause I'll bet it sure as shit would.
The argument my friend always says is this cant happen or all small businesses will be shut down because only corps will be able to pay that high wage.
Counter point?
Ofc there are no citations for this "argument"? Capitalist ideologues are indoctrinated so deep into the hegemonic soup that they believe their pseudo-science is self-evident.
I will keep these on hand !! Great sources
Turns out, a large portion of people using SNAP are employees of these "corps" (source), quote:
We are basically subsidizing their employees' wages with our tax money. And at the same time, all those money goes to these companies' bottom line. (where do you think their employees spend their SNAP money?)
This is a fucking scam, and must be stopped. These corporations must pay their employees a living wage, otherwise they must not be allowed to operate.
As it turns out, most small businesses pay a higher wage than the big corps. Average wages end up going down when a town gets Walmarted because Walmart pays less than the small businesses it drives out.
Im not sure thats right. Mc dick pays 15 dollars an hour here and a mom n pop shop downtown either wont hire you or pays 9 dollars.
Plus tips I imagine. Something people at McDonald's do not get.
That is clearly a local anecdote. Why would you think what happens at a shop and a McDonald's in your community is representative of the average experience?
Because it is. Small shops dont pay shit, ive worked at them. They cant afford to.
Have you not seen bucees? They pay managers 6 figures. Because they can afford to. Bob and Linda cant afford to pay someone the 50,000-70,000 a year thats basically required to survive comfortably in most of the US.