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so... is ios reading all your messages now or what
I mean, how do you think spelling correction works? Local on-device "reading" of text is a pretty simple feature that's used for a bunch of stuff (detecting URLs, email addresses…)
you'd have to take it at their word all of this stays inside the device.
None of what's been mentioned above requires server-side processing.
Sure, as you do with any software. A computer is always looking at your data and input. That's how it works. Unless you audit it yourself, you have to take someone else's word it isn't doing something it isn't supposed to.
haha touché, computers always invade your privacy anyway!
apple stans always with the very best reasoning.
I am absolutely not an Apple Stan. I hate Apple. I'm on Linux for a reason, and my phone is running Android (which I also hate, but whatever). You're reasoning was just bad.
for starters, foss code is audited collectively, not individually.
please don't believe what apple marketing says at face value.
Lol. I don't. However, you're acting like just displaying something is an indication of them sending the data off. You do know the text message itself is not just displayed on the screen, right? It takes in some bytes of data and processes it, and them uses that to select characters to print to the screen. It has to process the messages no matter what. This little effect isn't anything more dangerous than the characters being rendered to the screen. Both of them are just processing the data in a message to choose what to display.
no i dont, and i dont quite get what you mean and why you are saying that. people get very overprotective of apple.
i'm simply telling you not to believe their marketing at face value. data is money.
Your comment that started all of this:
You're message implies you think it's being sent off to Apple for processing because of this effect. You further prove this is what you meant later.
If course, the comment is technically correct. It is reading your messages. It has to to even display the text, so obviously it is. It always has been and always will, and the same goes for every other phone that has ever existed or will ever exist. It's a requirement for you to interact with it.
This does not mean it's being sent to Apple. It gives us no insight into whether that's happening either. It is neither necessary nor sufficient for that. All that we can understand from this feature is that your system is reading your messages, which again is a requirement for them to display them at all.
This is not defending Apple. It's arguing against stupid takes. It has nothing to do with Apple. I hate them and will point out when they're doing anything I even slightly don't like. This isn't evidence of anything (except being a dumb feature that I don't even want).
what makes you think they are that trustworthy?
Oh my god, you keep going. Nothing makes me think they're trustworthy. I don't know why you keep saying this. I'm pointing out that this effect is not an indication of them sending your data off the device. Are they sending data off the device? Almost certainly. This effect is not an indication of that. It doesn't require anything more than just displaying the text does. Both of them require processing the data in the message to figure out what to show.
you too. i have no problem with that. you are just being pedantic.
my problem is with the implication apple is somehow magically more private. its NOT.
While Apple's code isn't open-source, I believe they've subjected their code to third-party audit in the past for confirmation that the data isn't being sent off-device.
So kind of, but not entirely.
Yes, iOS displays your messages. In order to do that it has to read your messages. That's just how computers work. Same for Windows, iOS, Android, Linux, and even Temple OS.
Doesn't look like it's reading it over the network or sending up any data. It seems like it's just doing it locally, in the process of loading the message.
a lot of things "seem" that way on android devices too, tbh.
On Android devices, the apps are auditable as part of the AOSP. If they were exfiltrating data, a security researcher would already have flagged it.
Ironically, this is the comment in this thread that's not paranoid enough, because to my knowledge both Google and Samsung use their own closed-source message and phone apps, along with other standard apps. (Idk about other vendors, but the same is pretty likely for major brands.)
I just looked, and you're absolutely right. I had no idea that the Messages app wasn't part of the AOSP. Very interesting (and not in a good way)
Google integrates its own services in both the phone and messaging apps: namely spam reporting and blocking. I'm guessing that other major brands also have services to that end.
Google's ‘Messages’ also has a button to make a video call, and I dunno even what app and protocol would be used for that, as I never used video calls and don't have any Google apps for that functionality.
Looks like it delegates to Meet, for me.
Yeah, honestly, spam reporting is good. Call screen is amazing. I would be loath to give it up.