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Anyone who understands the economic structure of imperialism would never argue against this. Good thread for showing how many people lack that understanding
To those people: you choose to teleport either the USA or Israel into another dimension and instantly replace it with the "chill timeline" version (natives not dead, etc), which solves more problems? Obviously supermegaultrahitler is a worse issue than hitler junior, insane to ask this
No one is arguing that "Israel" is worse for the world than the US lmao. Or at least no one should be.
The harm Israel does to the world is a subset of the US, it mathematically could not be greater. No amount of eldritch Ryan Grim haircuts can change it. Find them and bring them to me. I will now lapse back into torpor
It's not strictly a subset, "Israel" has its own interests that are separate from the US. There is a large overlap, though, and the US does so much damage outside of Palestine that there's clearly no contest on overall global impact (obviously).
IMO, the framing that "Israel" is a strict subset of America basically minimizes the agency and therefore accountability of "Israelis". It's a sovereign state, even though it benefits from a large amount of American support.
We're not talking about moral accountability we are talking about the economic system that Israel's genocide upholds, which funds its existence through unlimited superprofits. Name something they've done that goes against US interest that wasn't kayfabe. (Conflating the interest of the US public with that of the ruling class decisionmakers is unhelpful and I see it all over this thread.)
There are several good examples, and instead of going into specifics, I can just say that whenever the US had to stop them they were already doing something outside of interests. There is some threshhold (flexible, probably dependent on the specific leaders) at which the interests disalign enough for intervention. But there is room to play within those boundaries. It's just as much a fiction to imagine that the empire is run inflexibly. This means all levels are valuable to analyze in different contexts and with different strategies
GOOD post again, you're really cooking today.
Thanks comrade, fighting to pick our battles strategically is my passion
I'm not making a moral argument here. You're right that "Israel" helps maintain American hegemony. That doesn't mean that everything "Israel" does is an extension of American interests. "Israel" has its own interests as well which have nothing to do with America, any analysis of "Israel" that starts and ends with "this is just an American puppet" is not complete.
Dependency goes both ways. I did not say Israel is purely a US puppet, but the US has the ability to do anything it wants them at will, it is functionally an extension of the US state apparatus in many ways.
Zillionaires in general, big dem donors, GOP archliches, and their supporters all have disparate but overlapping interests. What's important here is the overlapping economic interest of neocolonialism, not the quibbles over "those bomb dollars should have gone to my welfare"
Fuck I gotta go to bed arguing on this site is too fun. Anyways if I don‚t respond to anyone it's because they (Tim and Rric Awesome Show Great Job Ocxupied Government) got me
Generally agreed with you here, good post.