Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.

Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️

edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments

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[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

We're not talking about moral accountability we are talking about the economic system that Israel's genocide upholds, which funds its existence through unlimited superprofits. Name something they've done that goes against US interest that wasn't kayfabe. (Conflating the interest of the US public with that of the ruling class decisionmakers is unhelpful and I see it all over this thread.)

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are several good examples, and instead of going into specifics, I can just say that whenever the US had to stop them they were already doing something outside of interests. There is some threshhold (flexible, probably dependent on the specific leaders) at which the interests disalign enough for intervention. But there is room to play within those boundaries. It's just as much a fiction to imagine that the empire is run inflexibly. This means all levels are valuable to analyze in different contexts and with different strategies

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

GOOD post again, you're really cooking today.

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

Thanks comrade, fighting to pick our battles strategically is my passion peppino-square-up

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not making a moral argument here. You're right that "Israel" helps maintain American hegemony. That doesn't mean that everything "Israel" does is an extension of American interests. "Israel" has its own interests as well which have nothing to do with America, any analysis of "Israel" that starts and ends with "this is just an American puppet" is not complete.

[–] mistermodal@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Dependency goes both ways. I did not say Israel is purely a US puppet, but the US has the ability to do anything it wants them at will, it is functionally an extension of the US state apparatus in many ways.

Zillionaires in general, big dem donors, GOP archliches, and their supporters all have disparate but overlapping interests. What's important here is the overlapping economic interest of neocolonialism, not the quibbles over "those bomb dollars should have gone to my welfare"

Fuck I gotta go to bed arguing on this site is too fun. Anyways if I don‚t respond to anyone it's because they (Tim and Rric Awesome Show Great Job Ocxupied Government) got me

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Generally agreed with you here, good post.

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