Israeli and Zionist influence in the USA is a purposeful choice of the American government. It allows the American government to circumvent many domestic and international laws by allowing Israeli firms to do the spying and dirty work for them. Israel is essentially a rogue state that is entirely controlled by the American intelligence apparatus (and therefore, American capital). This has created a feedback loop of constantly reinforcing settler colonialism and American economic extraction of the Middle East. If America withdrew support to Israel, this feedback loop would cease and Israel would be greatly diminished or completely collapse.

Saying Israel controls America is simply wrong, stop saying this. I will remove your post. ✌️

edit: altered title for clarification and to avoid nonsensical semantic arguments

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[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

capital controls the US and if elections were publicly funded and no PACs were allowed then there would be no AIPAC to control US policy in israel’s favor

with that being said i absolutely do not support removing people’s posts simply for saying israel controls the US. its definitely a miscalculated statement but unless its specifically about jewish people then removing comments like that, intentionally or not does not help with the “israel controls america” shit they already think. i think its also kinda fucked up to take people’s ability to voice their frustrations about the state of our country away. so many laws in the US exist to protect israel. so much of our politics is just “how would you protect israel?”. everyone on tv is a zionist spewing israeli propaganda. you’re gonna push people to the wrong side of hating israel if you start removing posts criticizing the israeli state, which has nothing to do with jewish people

i just do not see anything wrong with saying X country controls Y country. people are allowed to be wrong. if they make it about jews then yeah remove and ban because thats not someone who can be educated or reasoned with but israel is a state and they do not represent jewish people so i just really don’t see how its useful for anything other than unintentionally protecting israel from criticism

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

saying israel controls the US

I also wanna note ive never even characterized it like this, i've been pushing back on the seeming idea that there's NO INFLUENCE AT ALL, WHATSOEVER, which seems really hard to believe when we're literally discussing it because of the existence of a PAC that exists for the express purpose of influencing American politics, and this is like the above board influencing project that is KNOWN about. The country that sent thousands of explosive pagers to do a terror attack isn't going to even attempt to influence its "liege" state to keep giving it whatever the fuck it wants? It's easy enough to just throw your hands up and be like "well the U.S. is just going to give them whatever they want anyway" but that isn't really exactly a stellar analysis and it's just the result of thinking "well, it's the unsinkable aircraft carrier, america NEEDS it" and terminating thought there. Great job you really solved it! i-love-not-thinking

P.s. regarding AIPAC i noted in another comment bemoaning associating them with being foreign that their literal fucking name emphasizes their being Israeli first, it's "American Israeli" not the "Israeli american" PAC. That's a choice. It's like how calling the CPC the "chinese communist party" tries to paint them as a Han nationalist thing whereas the "Communist Party of China" doesn't.