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I mean, if the alternative is vanilla Chrome, it hardly matters at this point. They're both so loaded with tracking your computer will dent the floor, and they have basically the same capabilities.
Obviously FF is better, but what I'm saying is, statistically, for the vast majority, this is only pulling folks off of Chrome.
The worst part is, firefox isn't better any more, it's a bloated mess. I was a firefox user for over a decade and finally ditched it last week.
Why though?
I mean the only reason I could think of is that the number of sites which do not support Firefox increases. So I always need Chrome to get some websites working.
What did Firefox that Vivaldi does better?
I find that Chromium derivates do perform much better as long as a Wayland+Nvidia combo isn’t freaking them out.
It’s usually not a huge deal on fast desktops though.
So far:
But as I say, I've only been trying it for a few days, and there are several others I want to try before I settle on a permanent replacement.
Ok I get your point, but basically a Firefox alternative like libre wolf would work for you too
What are you using now
I’d recommend Cromite. For desktop and Android, it’s awesome.
DDG browser if you want multi device sync.
I haven't settled yet, but I'm trying Vivaldi at the moment and liking it so far.
Maybe try LibreWolf, it’s just Firefox with the Mozilla bullshit removed and privacy respecting defaults. It’s identical besides that
Because of the anti fingerprinting changes so many sites don't work in it though, mapping utilities in particular, and banks.
Yeah, unfortunately LibreWolf's a bit weird for me in ways I can't live with.
Also its onboarding process really needs work, the first time I used it I lost all my logins because I wasn't fully aware LibreWolf doesn't save any cookies by default, which kinda coloured my experience with it.
I find Librewolf to be a bit annoying as well. You can disable that cookie-deleting behavior, but I was annoyed that when I signed in with my Firefox account that it had deleted my history and synced that deletion, so now my history was gone everywhere.
Zen is my current favorite Firefox derivative. Whether you like it or not will depend on if you like their UI choices. I actually wasn't a tabs-on-the-side guy, but after using it for a day or so I've come to like it a lot.
Waterfox was nice too, but it was a bit unstable last time I used it.
I mean it goes back and forth so much. I remember when Firefox was the king of browsers 15 years maybe 18 years ago. It then got so loaded with shit that Chrome was the only way to go for about 10 years or so now at this point I think it's pretty much a wash between the two. If nothing else you can use a lighter browser. I personally prefer Chrome because then I can use it on my phone my tablet my computer and have access to all of my tabs as access to all of my searches everything between the three devices.
You can do that with Firefox. If you use Android you can also run uBlock in the mobile version of Firefox, which is why I'll never use Chrome again.
What I meant is there are tons of alternatives to Google-branded Chrome, that are basically Chrome underneath but at least stripped out. Including ones with browser sync across devices.
I am using DuckDuckGo for mobile/desktop sync at the moment. But mostly Cromite (or Firefox) on desktop, and only because Cromite sadly isnt available on iOS.
It's not a wash anymore though, it's not even close. Plain Chrome tracks you so much it definitely eats CPU doing so, no matter how many extensions you install.
I mean I've started utilizing duck duck go for most of my searches on my phone about five six months ago or so. But that has been limited in a number of things in a professional sense where I have had to switch over to Google to be able to actually find the correct answers that I need.
Their browser, I mean.
You can still use Google search in DDG browser. TBH I feel much safer with that than the other way around.
Unfortunately, I feel this way too. It is easier and more productive for me atm. I would like to get away from Google but it works seamlessly with everything I use.
I remember my Firefox browser got hijacked so badly, that I had to never install it again on one of my computers, because it would pick up the extension I guess that was left behind in app data or something? Anyway, I was afraid to touch it, long after it was cleared.
Remember those horrible toolbars? Those were a problem on all browsers and reinstalled themselves automatically unless you fully purged them from your pc. I don't think Chrome ever supported toolbars, that was actually a feature back then