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[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Any household name from the STEM fields. Most people don't get into those fields with the intention of becoming famous.

Those that do are often cranks, which, mostly to their annoyance, usually ends in infamy, not fame.

Some those that have had fame thrust upon them adapted pretty well to it. Stephen Hawking was a notable example.

Others really wanted nothing to do with it and have shunned the attention. Grigori Perelman is arguably better known for not wanting to be well known than he is for his mathematical work. (This assertion coming from my remembering his name and his desire to be left alone, but not the theorems he proved.)

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Hard disagree. My colleague's ranks are rife with narcissists who take any opportunity to get quoted or pictured when a new paper is published. They yearn for awards.

I thought this just pathetic old men when I was in my 30s and now in my 50s I can confirm it's just pathetic old men. They are dumbfounded as to why I send me trainees to speak and put them in front of press releases.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 1 points 4 hours ago

Good point. Those actual scientists who crave fame have to be in there somewhere.

I can't really argue one way or the other. I'm a recreational mathematician at best. There's wanting to be recognised/known for good mathematical work and there's wanting to be famous, and I didn't really take that distinction into account. I wouldn't mind the former - however unlikely - but the latter, no thanks.

It's not clear what your narcissist associates (? or associates of associates) actually want out of the deal, but their crank level is clearly high even if they're otherwise legit.

Maybe someone could write a paper involving the punnet square crank/non-crank versus pseudo-scientist/actual scientist, and how many of each there is in each square. Or could it be one of those 2D alignment charts. Throw in a third dimension and there'd be a fame/infamy axis too.

Hawking definitely had some crank about him - and not because of his disability - so he wouldn't be at one of the corners.

[–] NovaSel@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Honestly? Completely fair. I wouldn't wanna get hounded in public either