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[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 132 points 22 hours ago (3 children)
[–] YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm too uneducated on politics (read: stupid) to even know what left and right means. Where do I land

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 hours ago

Well they are slightly vague terms, so please don't feel stupid. A shocking amount of people who think they know, don't know.

Left wing politics are generally about a rejection of hierarchy of people. Consequently, they tend to be interested in an international community because we are all the same and deserve the same. As freedom is something that everyone wants for themselves, the left tend to be in favor of an equally free community, e.g. freedom to love.

Right wing politica are generally about hierarchy of people. But not because the hierarchy is necessarily the point, but it tend to be in favor of maintaining the current state, Which just happens to be hierarchical. And usually everything get viewed from a hierarchical pov. E.g. nationalism is a hierarchical view of country and people, your country and its people above other country and their people.

Obviously you could point at the historical stance of us republicans that they want a small government and argue that a small government creates less of 2 class citizens, the law markers and the citizens. But the left would point out that a small government just enables the powerful people to exploit the weak people and create more 2 class citizens.

On the left: The strong hierarchy in the previous attempts of "communism" is the reason why some people will say that true communism was never tried. Other will argue that you need a little bit of authority to run a communustic state.

So the whole thing is a little more complex than "freedom" and "restrictions" and who supports what "restrictions" when.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Right: in favor of privately owned means of production.
Left: in favor of publicly owned means of production.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

might need to back up a little. personal, private, and public ownership are different things in one of the areas i worked in. same distinction? personal property is still legal, just privately held businesses not so much. brain's fuzzy, am i remembering right?

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

Firstly, this concept only applies to means of production, as in the stuff that is used to produce stuff which could be sold. So e. g. a sewing machine.

Without getting into the weeds:

a. Personal: You own and operate the sewing machine, you pay for the resources consumed and own the item produced. (Good)

b. Private: You own the sewing machine but someone else operates it. You pay the resources consumed, the laborer a previously agreed upon amount and own the item they produced. (bad)

c. Public: the public owns the sewing machine and pays for the resources consumed. The laborer is paid the value of their work. That is, the value of the item produced minus the value of the resources consumed. (Very good)

How "the public" and "the value" are determined is the source of leftist infighting (anarchists vs marxist-leninist). But since both agree that private ownership needs to be abolished the call is for leftist unity to stand together against the people that currently own the means of production privately (the bourgeoisie) and exploit those that have to sell their laborforce in order to survive (the proletariat).

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

tankie is, as i understand it, a combination of authoritarianism, leftism, and some weird nostalgia for the soviet union i'm not entirely sure i've just been casually trying to pick stuff up.

[–] Tippy@sh.itjust.works 28 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Yes? You do realize tankies are a minority group and that in many nations "leftist" is just a normal political position?

I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say here

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I think they're interpreting your response to the meme as "centrism bad" while the meme in question only offers Nazi, Tankie, or Centrist. These sort of mixups happen in these discussions where the implied context is just so massive.

[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Try anarchism. Goes down smooth

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

i've known too many people who went anarchist > ancap > asshole > sovcit. I'm sure it works well for you, but i feel like it's playing with ~~fire~~ black tar heroin