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Hasan Piker was set to debate Charlie Kirk. Now he's warning of a "Reichstag fire moment."
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this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2025
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how does knowing "the meaning of the western wall" at all supposed to inform one's stance on Israel's atrocities on Palestine?
this is like saying a journalist has been covering NASA for years but they still don't know which zodiac signs are in the water group.
Not at all. He professses to be an expert on me issues and the conflict in Israel. He's been covering it for years. You'd better damn well know at least the fundamentals of the GODDAMN region you're covering holy shit.
again you failed to demonstrate how it is at all relevant. literally the same relevance as my analogy.
Really? One of the keystone elements in the biggest geopolitical conflicts in the middle east? One of the biggest claims the zionists use as justification for right to return? The most sacred site in the Jewish faith?
Really?
Wikipedia is free, you know?
The Western Wall
i don't remember saying i don't know what the fucking wall is. i said how is it fucking relevant to forming a fucking opinion on the fucking genocide.
I don't know man... Why does having any historical context help to discuss the biggest conflict in middle east? Are you under the impression the genocide started on Oct 7?
what are you even talking about? "the meaning of the western wall" has no bearing on the reality of the genocide, not the morality of it. this is not a religious project. it's a settler colonial project. you don't even need to know what religion they are part of, let alone what some fucking magic wall is supposed to "mean". here's what it means: nothing. none of this shit is for or because of the wall.
You can downplay it all you want, which is weird, but it is a central element to the Jewish claim for the right to return. You know, the reason the Zionists are there in the first place. But hey, listen, if you like superficial slop rage farming content you do you. Hey, btw did you know genocide bad? Kony 2012!
the reason Zionists are there is not because of that. again, this is not a religious project, it's a settler colonial one. all of that is bullshit justifications.
by the way even if it weren't it still wouldn't matter one fucking bit for one to form an opinion on the genocide, or apartheid state, or settler colonialism because the so-called reasoning doesn't fucking matter. i don't understand why you're talking as if in certain nuanced situations maybe genocide would be justified. maybe apartheid would be ok. if only you knew the religious reasons maybe you'd understand that ethnic cleansing is not bad, actually...
the way you talk about this makes me pretty sure you're a crypto zionist trying to downplay criticisms of Israel. well kindly fuck off with all that.
Why did the zionists pick that spot?
I see the ad hominem attacks and labeling already coming out. No, I'm not a crypto zionist. I just know how to have a conversation that's more in depth than whatever slop you're used to haha.
it's not more in depth. literally nothing in the so-called justification is there anything to mitigate the crimes of Israel. its entire existence is categorically wrong and immoral.
None of this has anything to do with the topic of justification. That's something you attached to the discussion. No genocide can ever be justified. I hope we can agree on that? Are you not capable of holding more than one thought at a time?
you said Hasan didn't know the meaning of some magic sparkle wall as a criticism of his stance on the genocide. i said who gives a shit about the fucking wall, the Israel project has never been about the wall, and more importantly it has no bearing on one's opinions on genocide. your criticism is stupid and irrelevant. talking about the material conditions of an issue does not require being versed in its mythology as well. you don't criticize someone who reports on scientific discoveries in space by saying they don't know enough about astrology.
You don't understand what I'm saying.
At all.
No one gives a fuck about the stupid wall, except zionists. But my god, if you claim to be an expert on the middle east and you ramble all day about zionist, holy shit, would it kill you to know something about the region? Holy fuck. Americans seem to revel in ignorance
not an american. Zionists don't give a fuck about the wall, jews do. you have no idea what you're talking about, but that's on me. i should've checked your profile before I engaged at all.
Oh my god. We are not talking about zionists or the wall specifically. We aren't talking about your background
We are highlighting the blatant ignorance of twitch's "top political streamer". Holy batman. How is this so hard to comprehend. Who gives an f about my profile. Have a cogent response man. Rub two brain cells together for more than a second. Jeesus fuck
Loser
No u
Ancestral claims is s lot more used as a justification then religious claims.
Zionists has considered many other places too, see even you don't know all the "basics"
What are those ancestral claims based on?
The multiple jewish kingdoms that was funded there.
Why were they founded there?
Because jews as an ethenic group are indegenous to the land
Really? They don't invoke anything else in particular? Nothing specific to the Jewish diaspora? Can you think of anything....
They invoke ancestry as an argument to their claims which is stupid. Herzl was secular, ben Gurion was secular, Sharon was secular. Although Netanyahu has religious Zionists in coalition he still have extreme non religious people in them and Netanyahu himself is secular . If it was just about the western wall Israel wouldn't occupy the west bank .
Holy fucking batman on a stick. How...??? How is it possible you still don't understand what I'm saying? I'm not interested in litigating zionism or the western wall. Jesus. Help me. I quit. I can't any more. You got me.
You sound like a 5 years old kid who can't control his emotion. I think you really need to seeks help
You are and idiot .You talked about how the western wall was a big excuse for Zionism occupation then i told you how the main justification for the occupation was ancestral claims not the western wall and other religion claim BS then gave you multiple arguments that prove it but you ignore everything i say
No man. It's because you're talking about everything except my main claim. I know why though. Good luck
I replied to all your claims but you are too stupid to even understands what you are writing
Repeat back to me my main claim
That the western wall is the biggest argument for the Zionists to justify the creation the state in Palestine which is not because the western wall is a religious side and the most notorious Zionists and fathers of the terrorist state was secular
Wow, what a fucking baby
Haha you got me man. Good one!
No, he did. If I claim to be a computer programmer with 20 years of experience, but dont know the basics of any computer language, that would be an important detail in discrediting me and my "expertise" on the topic. Right? So if someone is saying they are an expert on Israel and Gaza(ie, "listen to me!") then pointing out that they dont know basic things about the topics is very important. Because the last thing the world needs, is more listening to fucking grifters that only feed into collective outrage.
Even real experts don't know every details about their field. The argument that just because he didn't know about the wall was makes him fake and uneducated about the topic is ridiculous and dumb
They may not know every detail off the top of their heads, but they will know the basics of their chosen fields. Like every mathematician knows their times tables, right? Whats ridiculous and dumb, is being so balls deep in the culture wars that you refuse to see any negatives of the talking heads you subscribe to, even when they are obvious as fuck.
Do you think mathematicians know every single theory and influence of mathematic in every civilizations etc?
The wall could have not existed and zionists would have still occupied palestine because zionism is a supermasist ideology over stupid ancestral claims
I do not oppose critisism of Hassan, i oppose stupid accusations like him being a scammer who only talk about palestine to makes money or dismissing any influence he has. He at least definitly have more impact than you complaning here
I never saw Hassan participating in a culture war, i don't know what you talk about
but the analogous situation is not a mathematician knowing about times tables. it's a mathematician knowing about fucking numerology.
your analogy is not correct. this is like claiming to be a computer programmer with 20 years of experience but not knowing how the computers in star trek work. it's just bullshit that has no bearing on your opinions on programming.
Youre liking the genocide in gaza to star trek? Are you insane?
no? does no one understands analogies here? the genocide is computer programming in this analogy. the wall is the computers in star trek. it means fuck all and has no bearing on actual computer sciences.
I do, I might be you who doesnt. I gave a real world analogy of someone pretending to be a master in a craft, and you pulled star trek out your arse for some reason while saying the same thing, but equating observations with Gaza to watching a tv show.
The man claims to be an expert, but doesnt know the basics of the conflict or the players. What about that are you not getting?
nope. dude it's not my fault that you cannot read. I spelled it out for you and you still misunderstand. which means one of two things, you're a troll who's deliberately doing it, or just plain fucking dumb. either way you can just ask someone smarter what it means because I tried to tell you like you were five and it didn't work.
the wall isn't and has never been part of the basics of the conflict or the players.