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Found george orwell's alt account!
Joking, but with organization we could wrest control from these clowns if we got real strong leadership.
If we could organize, we wouldn't need a violent revolution.
Have no fear, organizing to oppose the establishment is quite violent. The labor movement had a lot of fights. From beating the shit out of the police in Minneapolis in the 1920s to the coal miners of Appalachia to the UAW.
That is why I think Sean Fain would be a good presidential candidate. He is willing to fight and honestly.
I thought we were talking about violently overthrowing a government, not violent protest.
Also, violence in protests is only helpful when the common perception is that the violence was instigated by the state. That's why states use agent provocateurs to incite violence. They know it works to their advantage.
Call it what you want, the only way to improve our lot is to organize and work cooperatively on what we agree on, and that would be opposed by the state, and the oligarchs that control the state, and we would have to defend ourselves in our rights to exercise our constitutionally protected freedoms as we are allowed to by law. As the unions did when the corrupt power of the state at the behest of the bosses tried to crush their organization.
A revolution without any organization would just be an animal farm situation where the new boss would be like the old boss. And we should not want a revolution but rather a restoration. The system is generally good, the system is Dishonored and ignored.
Oh, I'm completely on board with organizing and being prepared to defend ourselves. It's the only way forward. All it would take is a short general strike, but we need to take into account that a whole lot of American workers like what's going on, and even more just want to return to the same neoliberal consensus that got us here. Those fractures are the biggest problem to solve.