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RFK is the best illustration of the difference between informed skepticism and ignorant denialism.
The throughline of all his ideals is that health is a personal choice. Right wing people accept this because it means that we are not responsible for each other. Health-nut people accept this because it means that their quality of life is always going to be under their control.
Both of these ideas is so utterly wrong that it's no wonder that people who accept them say and believe such silly things.
But there is a very high component of personal responsibility in health. Two things can be true at the same time, and in this case we have a personal responsibility to be as healthy as it is possible not only for our own good but for the greater good of society since good diet, exercise etc all improve your immune system, your mental health etc which affects society at large as much as you as an individual.
It’s 50/50 really.
I'm not talking about personal responsibility as in "don't smoke cigarettes". I'm talking about "ultra-processed foods are the mono-cause for all human disease".
These people don't believe in health-risks. They believe that everyone who ever gets sick could have chosen not to.
Ironic how fast "personal responsibility" becomes "you owe your body to the State". But even if we ignore the totalitarianism of your system, it's still wrong.
Smokers and the Obese incur fewer lifetime health costs than joggers. So by your reasoning, it's suddenly patriotic and prosocial to smoke, be a couch potato, and eat potato chips. People who work out are selfish and hate America.
Don’t smoke cigarettes is cool if you didn’t grow up in a world where they were handing you cigarettes when you were seven years old.
I quit heroin. Fucking heroin.
Do you know what I can’t quit? Smoking.
I was given my first cigarette when I was five years old. I was smoking a pack a day by the ripe old age of 12.
I was addicted enough that I went out and cut grass entirely to buy cigarettes. My brother and I robbed a delivery truck and took several boxes of camels. I was 13 when we did that.
Research and education behind smoking cessation, benefits of exercise, and cardiac drug advances was the worse thing to happen to pension plans and social security. Work, pay taxes, then die is the Project 2025 plan.
Source for smokers and the obese incurring fewer lifetime health costs than joggers?
My guess it that if you kick the curb by 62 you are cheaper if you live to 90
Do you have a source for the joggers bit?
No lol, they made it up on the spot
Society is not the state. Society are your fellow human beings.
I was also never positioning this in terms of costs.
You seem to be pretty good at misrepresenting arguments so I’m just gonna stop replying now since it is clear you will not engage in good faith.
25/75. there's a shitton of luck.
My wife had me submit my dna to ancestry. I didn’t want to do it, but she was so excited because I don’t know my family at all.
You want to know what my traits said?
“You probably play a musical instrument.”
If my dna can tell people that I play music, what else can it tell?
You’re damn right it’s luck. Almost across the board as far as I’m concerned.
I am afraid your DNA got into the hands of a grifter scam business. DNA can absolutely not say anything about whether you play a musical instrument.
https://www.ancestry.com/c/traits-learning-hub/playing-an-instrument
Ancestry.com