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Image is of Putin and Scholz sitting on opposite ends of a frighteningly long table back in 2022. Folks, the table is gonna get ten feet longer.


The latest round of US-Russian diplomacy is taking place on August 15th in Alaska, where Putin and Trump are meeting in-person to maybe try and bring an end to this godforsaken conflict. While I don't want to totally discount the possibility that they may come to an agreement - you truly never know! - there's a lot stacked against this encounter yielding much of anything.

Russia appears to have demanded a land swap; that Ukraine fully withdraw from Kherson and Zaporozhye oblasts (in exchange for unspecified Russian gains, but probably parts of Sumy and Kharkov) as a precondition for a ceasefire that could perhaps lead to a permanent resolution of the conflict, and Ukraine seems completely unwilling to do anything of the sort, saying that even if they wanted to, the process of just giving up a couple oblasts would take significant time and require referendums. I say that Russia has appeared to demand it, because there's been a lot of confusion - probably in bad faith - about what Russian diplomats and Putin himself have said and what the demands even are. There are some who speculate that Trump will sell out Ukraine and blame Zelensky for refusing to agree with Russian demands, and there are others who say that this just the latest of many examples of the US and Russia meeting up with such fundamental differences that a deal is impossible, and that Trump fully expects to put sanctions on Russia after Putin declines some harebrained American scheme.

Anyway. After the summit, in late August, Putin is due to arrive for a visit to India, at Modi's invitation. Previously, I was unsure exactly what India would do in response to American sanctions pressure, and now we appear to be receiving an answer, as Modi has made public statements that suggest that he is only getting closer to Russia. Fascinatingly, Modi will soon make his first visit to China in seven years at the annual SCO summit at the end of August, and Putin will be heading to China too on September 3rd. There is an increasing amount of dismissal about the potential of BRICS (especially one that contains India), and that dismissal is certainly rather justified, but I am still deeply curious about what developments may occur as the global south braces to face the remaining ~85% of Trump's presidency.


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[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

One of the butchers of the Soviet Union

You’re thinking about Gorbachev and Yeltsin. When Putin took over, Russia was already a complete mess, having defaulted in the wake of the Asian Financial Crisis in 1998. There wasn’t much he could do except to hold an uneasy coalition with the oligarchs while still asserting enough sovereignty to prevent a total collapse of the nation. Remember, Russia literally just defaulted the year prior (the ruble fell from 0.6 RUB/USD in 1990 to 6000 RUB/USD in 1998 forcing Russia to default). He was there to clean up Yeltsin’s mess.

Putin did stop the plunder (to a great extent but not completely) by the oligarchs and Russia’s GDP grew 10 times under his watch from 1999-2009 until the global financial crisis ravaged the global economy, then followed by the Western sanctions during the Ukrainian civil war in 2014 and the US shale revolution in the mid-2010s to kill off the oil producing economies of Russia, Iran and Venezuela. Russia’s had a very difficult time under continuous assault from Western imperialist powers especially in the last 15 years.

Regarding Alaska, as I’ve said before, nobody is ever going to arrest the head of a nuclear armed state. That simply doesn’t happen.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You’re thinking about Gorbachev and Yeltsin

Putin was an anti-communist who worked for Yeltsin, and his government has been taking action such as the recent push for the glorification of Ivan Ilyin.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Look, there’s no love for Putin here. But you want anti-communism - look at Ukraine. That’s anti-communism with a systematic attempt to deface and reject all the Soviet legacy in the country.

At the very least, Putin rehabilitated Stalin. We know so much about Stalin in recent years only because of this rehabilitation effort. You can be cynical about Putin using Stalin’s name to revive the nostalgia for a great power, but it’s still an attempt to correct history instead of negating and wiping off the legacy of the Soviet Union like Ukraine did.

And let’s not pretend like Putin didn’t slow the plunder. Russia would have turned into Ukraine without him. I’m not glorifying Putin, but that’s a fact we have to accept. Putin is a mediocre leader hanging on the precipice of the entire nation collapsing when he took power. He is no Stalin, and he would not have been capable of turning it around without even more bloodshed and a high chance of failure. For him, it’s about the survival of the Russian civilization. One wrong move and the entire society collapses.

And try applying this same “anti-communist” standard to the rest of the Global South and you’d have to condemn a lot of anti-imperialist parties and leaders across the world.

It is easy to critique from the comfort of your armchair as Western leftists, but I’d like to see how if the left took power in the West, they’d have to deal with the reactionary forces with so much at stake.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Look, there’s no love for Putin here. But you want anti-communism - look at Ukraine

I can keep track of both Ukraine (and NATO more generally) and Putin.

That’s anti-communism with a systematic attempt to deface and reject all the Soviet legacy in the country

Okay? And that makes the Russian government's anti-communist actions better how, exactly?

At the very least, Putin rehabilitated Stalin

What action do you think he or his government has taken to 'rehabilitate Stalin'? Also, what does this 'rehabilitation of Stalin' entails? Also, how does this negate the promotion of fascists - including ones that worked for the NSDAP in Germany - in educational materials and other media?

but it’s still an attempt to correct history instead of negating and wiping off the legacy of the Soviet Union like Ukraine did

You are trying to assert that you have read his mind and know what he intends to do and why in this regard while ignoring his and his government's actual actions. There is zero evidence that he has had a change of heart.

And let’s not pretend like Putin didn’t slow the plunder

He did, but he nevertheless continued it. He still maintains a semi-peripheral state, he still maintains the robbery of the working class, and he will neither try to restore planned economy, nor will he allow anybody else to do so.

I’m not glorifying Putin

You are defending a person who was in various positions of power during the 1990s and who was already working with and for anti-communists at the time from the accusation of him being a butcher of the Soviet Union, and are trying to paint him as having changed his mind and trying to do something unspecified that is good with no apparent evidence to back that up.

For him, it’s about the survival of the Russian civilization

Please stop engaging in attempts of mind reading. I have noticed that you do so fairly frequently, and I would like to point out that you do not have a good basis for making claims like these.

And try applying this same “anti-communist” standard to the rest of the Global South and you’d have to condemn a lot of anti-imperialist parties and leaders across the world

I do have apply such standards to the rest of the Global South. I do levy various criticisms - including ones like these - at the relevant leaders.

It is easy to critique from the comfort of your armchair as Western leftists

This is very funny to read. By your standards, Putin is a Western liberal, both geographically and in terms of his allegiance.
Do you actually think that I live in any of the NATO countries?

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

No disagreements here. You don’t have to read minds or anything because it is the material outcome that matters. It doesn’t matter what Putin thinks, or that he is a bad guy, or that he is anti-communist. From a historical perspective, his actions are what matter. Putin was acting according to the historical conditions at the time, and to pretend otherwise is to fall for the Great Man Theory idealism divorced from the material conditions of Russia in the 1990s.

Again, easy to say when you are not in charge of 100s of millions of people with a country on the brink of economic destruction. And as I’ve said before, this is also why Western leftists always fail to understand the struggles of the Global South. Even attempts to ease geopolitical tensions are being accused as compradors when there are no clear options and alternatives for them. To be clear, compradors do exist among Global South countries but most of the times, they are the consequences of Western imperialism that had eliminated left wing movements within those countries. So don’t expect all anti-imperialist forces in the Global South to be left wing, simply because they have been mostly neutralized on that front.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t matter what Putin thinks, or that he is a bad guy, or that he is anti-communist

This is a blatant attempt to sweep under the rug that he has been taking anti-communist and anti-working-class action by presenting him as merely being an anti-communist by belief.

From a historical perspective, his actions are what matter

Yes. So, stop defending him.

Putin was acting according to the historical conditions at the time

You are, again, trying to pretend as if his actions were not anti-communist and anti-worker. Like, yes, he and all the other compradors acted according to their conditions to make themselves beneficiaries of capitalism and colonialism. Nobody has ever denied that he was somehow acting against said conditions.
I'm not sure what your argument here was supposed to be, frankly.

and to pretend otherwise is to fall for the Great Man Theory idealism divorced from the material conditions of Russia in the 1990s

Firstly, great man theory is neither idealist nor anti-idealist. Those beliefs are not dependent on whether or not one labels some/all non-material objects as 'extant' or that those object have some sort of primacy over material objects.
Secondly, you are again trying to portray him as being opposed to what was being done in the 1990s when he was literally both on the side of those who were the most at fault for that, and he was in positions of power at the time. You keep trying to present Putin as being secretly against all of that, but you are yet to present any evidence for him being and/or acting so.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nope, I am saying Putin was constrained by the historical conditions of the time.

This was the 1990s when the Soviet Union collapsed, when the Asian Financial Crisis had crippled much of the Asian economies (which ended with the default of Russia in 1998, just before Putin came to power), not the early 20th century with revolutionary fervor all across Europe, nor the post-war period of decolonization and emancipation of former colonies.

Again, without approaching this from a historical materialist perspective, Western leftists always fail to understand the struggles of the Global South.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Nope, I am saying Putin was constrained by the historical conditions of the time

Not sure why him being 'constrained' matters in this context, when he was a pro-NATO anti-communist to begin with. What was he 'constrained' from doing that is relevant to this topic?

This was the 1990s when the Soviet Union collapsed, when the Asian Financial Crisis had crippled much of the Asian economies (which ended with the default of Russia in 1998, just before Putin came to power), not the early 20th century with revolutionary fervor all across Europe, nor the post-war period of decolonization and emancipation of former colonies

How is this relevant to this conversation? Either you are claiming that he secretly wanted to aid communists and/ or workers, probably including by engaging in decolonisation and or undoing the capitalist restoration, or what you just said is completely irrelevant.

Again, without approaching this from a historical materialist perspective, Western leftists always fail to understand the struggles of the Global South

Good thing I am not a 'Western' leftist.

You are yet to bring up anything relevant to your claim that it is not fair to call a person who held some of the most powerful positions in the state at the time a 'butcher of the Soviet Union'.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You’re thinking about Gorbachev and Yeltsin. When Putin took over

Huh, it's almost like that's my point or something, one could even say there was sort of continuation of a "shared project" maybe even a political operation by the oligarchs to guarantee a "succession" of their new state, under careful analysis one could even assume the phrase "One of" could imply multiple actors with a shared history, well it's one for the noggin

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Easy to say when you’re not in charge of the life and death of hundreds of million of people on the brink of destruction.

It’s the same Western leftists who keep “blaming” Iran for being stupid and a lib for negotiating with the Western powers.

Easy to say from the comfort of your armchair, because for Western leftists, it’s all black and white. China bad. China good. Russia bad. Russia good. There is no room for nuanced and complex scenarios. No attempt to understand the complex historical trajectory that led to where we are today.

Pure ahistorical and non-materialist view of the world for pretending that the world during that era was the same revolutionary era of the early 20th century, not one that just experienced the collapse of the USSR with all the suffering, impoverishment and defeat running on survival mode.

Meanwhile, the same Western leftists keep telling us why they cannot do armed struggles right now because the time is not right yet, there’s no support yet lol.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

First of all I'm not gonna be lectured on Iran "blaming" when I was the only one telling you flip-flopping mfs to stop dooming during the opening hours of the 12-day war, I didn't see you backing me up while I dealt with all the doomer takes, so zip it

Pure ahistorical and non-materialist view of the world.

lmao I've had people in this thread assert Putin was "just an innocent professor before he bravely took charge of the country and brought the oligarchs under control", GET A GRIP, you Z-posters have face-planted into a bizarre version of Great Man Theory concerning Putin, and you want to talk about ahistorical and non-materialist?

No, you're being ridiculous and the whole lot of you need to go out and touch grass, unironic pro-Putin posting, unbelievable

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Look, nobody is pro-Putin here (maybe some others are, not me), but to deny taking into account historical conditions is precisely why Western leftists always fail to understand the struggles of the Global South.

What is incredibly ironic is that the same Western leftists so much cheering for the brave defiance against imperialist from the armed struggles in the Global South (or conversely, condemning them for not doing enough) also conveniently give out dozens of reasons as to why they themselves cannot do so within the Imperial Core.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Russia is not a global south country, why is every answer you give a complete non-sequitur, my critiques about Putin are centered around his anti-communism and pro-western sentiment that has led Russia to near ruin and his leadership WILL NEVER lead to libration in the actual global south, he abandoned the Middle East to US dominance and almost abandoned the entirety of Eastern Europe before the US over played their hands with Ukraine

He's a weakling and a liberal coward, Russia needs better leadership that isn't allergic to challenging the west

ondemning them for not doing enough) also conveniently give out dozens of reasons as to why they themselves cannot do so within the Imperial Core.

Putin's the one with the army, not me

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Russia is not a global south country

Please read up what happened to Russia in the 1990s before proceeding. You can argue the definition of what “Global South” actually means but its economic position and corollarily its geopolitical position has been one that has been assaulted by foreign imperialist powers and near subjugation to a colony (there is a reason why NATO countries see Russia as nothing more as a “gas station” and got overconfident with their sanctions).

He's a weakling and a liberal coward, Russia needs better leadership that isn't allergic to challenging the west

No disagreement from me there. However, to think that Russia could somehow challenge the US position in the late 1990s and early 2000s is pure idealism. Even China was incredibly poor back then before joining the WTO in 2001. The DPRK just experienced its March of Suffering in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. The Asian Financial Crisis had crippled much of the economy in Asia. You’re trying to see the world from a present-day perspective with a much stronger China rather than what the predicament actually was back in the 2000s.

I’m old enough to remember that the US and China nearly got into a hot war in April 2001 until 9/11 happened and took the US attention elsewhere - and I can tell you that was a scary times. There was no way China could survive a military confrontation with the US without suffering severe losses, and China had no economic leverage as it does today. That’s why China joined the WTO and gave away all its labor rights - this is China running on pure survival mode.

As I said, all the major powers tried to court the US during those times, and one cannot understand this without approaching from a historical materialist perspective.

Putin's the one with the army, not me

What’s stopping the Western left from arming themselves?

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Please read up what happened to Russia in the 1990s before proceeding

I know what happened in the 90s, doesn't make Russia a global south country, the global south is defined by neo-colonialism and a complete breakdown of sovereignty, that is not Russia despite the mess the traitors and oligarchs made, which is why the west hates them because the west expected Russia to become a global south country and it didn't happen, hence the origin of the current war

What’s stopping the Western left from arming themselves?

18 intelligence agencies, a million strong army, 900,000 police, millions of class traitors and potential informants, dozens of heavily armed right-wing militias that can be deputized by the state, should I go on?

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

the global south is defined by neo-colonialism and a complete breakdown of sovereignty

Exactly. That was what Russia went through. Did I not just say that Russia literally defaulted in 1998 following the Asian Financial Crisis spread to Russia, and was completely plundered by American and European capital?

Clearly you don’t understand enough about the deliberate economic and financial warfare exerted against Russia during those times, and the various domestic terrorism (the Chechens, for example) they’ve had to deal with. Moscow was a completely shithole filled with neo-Nazi gangsters, until Putin came in and threw them all into jail.

As I mentioned, you want to see Russia without Putin, look no further than Ukraine. The second poorest country in Europe (before the war) full of Nazis.

18 intelligence agencies, a million strong army, 900,000 police, millions of class traitors and potential informants, dozens of heavily armed right-wing militias that can be deputized by the state, should I go on?

Exactly. That’s what the Global South countries are facing from Western imperialist powers.

But I guess what you’re saying is that you want Russia to have an all out war with NATO in 2000 and bring about annihilation all of those countries altogether.