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[–] Lugh 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Some people seem wildly optimistic about AGI being around the corner. Yet there's no indication the current approach to AI will deliver AI with independent reasoning abilities. In fact, despite decades of attempts, no one has outlined how AI might acquire reasoning ability. Without that, no AGI.

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I predict the problem is parallel to what initially limited AI efforts in the 80-2010s, lack of information and ability to process that information. Knowing you can pull a string but not push it is a common example of reasoning that isn’t available in the context of test or static image parsing. Multimodal helps, but we need to figure out how to train without needing to retrain the entire network especially for larger datasets like video.

[–] Lugh 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps. The problem with this line of thought is that it assumes reasoning will arise spontaneously, but doesn't know how. It doesn't inspire much confidence as the basis for a hypothesis.

[–] vanderbilt@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Reasoning isn’t innate to organic networks either. It’s a byproduct of pattern matching generalizing to wider stimuli and recognizing the differences. Convolutional networks don’t memorize every breed of cat, they recognize the patterns (features) that define them. Reasoning is an extension of this. I can’t push a string and I can’t unscramble an egg are also patterns, the pattern of unreciprocal or irreversible relationships. Extending these to new situations is applied reasoning. Same idea as transformer models creating new poems in styles not common before, generalize patterns to new situations. Question is how do we train to accommodate generalization without detracting from accuracy and how do we replicate neuroplasticity in a digital network.