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Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death (www.cnn.com)
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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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[–] roastpotatothief@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That all sounds like brigading emotional nonsense. In fact, there were strong reasons for Russia to invade. It is probably true that Russia was manipulated into invading, it had no choice because of strategic decisions made by Ukraine. It's a shame none of the people you talked to were able to argue the issues sensibly.

[–] tomatopathe@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why should Russia strategically be required to invade exactly?

I've never heard a cogent argument on this point.

[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

It's because Russia sees NATO as a threat and wants to take control of Ukraine to keep buffer states on the west side. Also, to keep it'sblack sea fleet safe. Why it happened now and not sooner or later - nobody knows. The official reasoning, of course, is bullshit, just like with any other war. Not the worst one, though.

[–] roastpotatothief@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most people haven't. We all have a filter bubble.

Here is a first draft, my attempt to provide the missing context. Please leave comments on anything bad or missing you notice. https://lemmy.ml/post/4848742

[–] tomatopathe@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

That is just a list of Russian propaganda points. There is no evidence for any of it.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ask Jens Stoltenburg. He just fucked up and bragged about how he forced them into it.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, but you didn't actually answer the question, you just pointed to the geopolitical equivalent of blurry sasquatch footage. What's the strategic logic?

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

M.A.D.

Seems like a really dishonest question when you're pretending not to understand such a basic concept. Unless you want me to believe that you're an idiot or something?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The MAD play would be to stay within their borders and make sure their nukes and delivery systems are all in good working order. Escalating at great cost and with a risk to internal stability isn't very good from a MAD perspective.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed but here we are. They're now arming their fascist puppet state with ATACMS and installing nukes in Finland, which is just eliminating MAD by reducing the time that Russia can respond.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I see what you did there. I don't believe NATO has puppet states.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 2 years ago

Fair enough, it's the USA that has the puppet states.