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I hope you have the day you voted for
I hope you enjoy the party you refuse to hold accountable.
At least I don’t love Trump like you.
I didn't vote for fascism as you're snidely implying. You know what they say about faulty conclusions.
I mean it plainly, I hope that you have the day that your vote directly influenced.
To be more specific, not voting for fascism is not the same as voting against it.
Then what is the point of you quipping a line that has been almost universally targeted at Trump voters to me?
As walkbacks go, this is particularly cringe.
Actually the line has always meant people who also did not vote, or voted for a third party knowing that it was just a vote that didn’t go against Trump.
I’m not walking back anything.
First, no it hasn't. No-one would say "have the day you voted for" to someone who didn't vote as it's a ridiculous non sequitur.
Second, I didn't do any of those things. You still not walking it back? Sticking to your guns when you're dead wrong?
Yes. That is what it means.
Second, not everything online is an insult. If you have the day you voted for, and you voted for Harris (the only option in a sadly two party system), then I am wishing you a good day.
Sure you are buddy.
You have nice day.
Thank you.
The line has always been used to silence and bully into coerced obedience the people who most wanted progressive change. The people who have been calling for the party of Fascism Lite to step up their game.
Let me speak plainly: unconditional support for the Democratic Party from people like you is the mechanism by which we've landed where we are today. You refused to hold your party accountable so they put Trump into a position to win 2016. And I mean that quite literally, they did everything they could to make sure he won the primary because they knew they were putting a loser candidate up.
So get off your fucking high horse. I blame you for where we are. And before you come at me: I voted for Bernie in the 2016 & 2020 primaries. I voted for Hillary, Biden, and Kamala in the generals. I've voted in the way that would maximize opposition to fascism at every step. My conscience is clean. You continue to spew insults to people to your left to blame them for your Party's failures. I blame only people to my right who want to keep running in that direction.
I hope you have the day you voted for.
I hope you don't, because yours is today. Maybe actually read my comment to see what day I voted for, jackass.
I read it all. I hope you have the day you voted for. So, I hope you have a good day. I don’t disagree with you. The two party system is shit. I voted Bernie in the primary too.
Then stop blaming the left. You're sewing discord and serving fascism. Hold the Democratic Party accountable for always doing the bare minimum they think they have to and nothing more. That's what's gotten us to where we are, not voters that are fed up with the bullshit.
Give the people something to vote for, don't blame them when all of the options are evil. No more "lesser of two evils," it's clearly not working.
It’s fucking hilarious how you all try to change the meaning of “the left.”
The left has always been the Democratic Party, bud. And while it can be inclusive to other sociological and political ideologies, at its core, the democrats have been at its epicenter.
Maybe look up when the term originated from?
To me, all attempts to co-opt the term appear to only be accepted by those that like to misuse it, constantly.
Uh, no? The Democratic Party doesn't define the left. The Democratic Party left the left. Here's a bit right from Wikipedia.
I haven't seen the Democratic Party pay anything but lip service to the definition of the left in a long time. Neoliberalism, which is the party line right now, is a right wing ideology.
From your own article:
“In France, where the terms originated, the left has been called "the party of movement" or liberal”
And since “liberal” is synonymous with democrats…
The left are democrats.
This was fun!
The Republicans don't call themselves Nazis, and yet they are the party of Nazis. Turns out you can't trust a group's self-applied label to accurately describe what they stand for in perpetuity.
Turns out when “leftists” are proven wrong, they resort to whataboutism, and strangely compare themselves to the Nazi party.
Oh, and by the way, remember what I said you aren’t the left?
What are you even saying here? When did I use whataboutism? When did I compare myself to the Nazi party?
I am left of the Democratic Party on every issue. So if you're saying I'm not left but the Democrats are, how does that square?
As a side note, it's lovely when you start using your little subtle variations on names as a derogatory term. You know how petty and stupid it is when the Republicans say "Democrat Party" as some weird dig to emphasize the "rat" ending? Same energy with you and "leftist" which is a term I never used for myself and which is often used by Democrats derogatorily. I describe myself as left speaking of the left-right spectrum. If you want a political label for me call me a progressive, though even that isn't the whole truth.
When you used republicans being Nazis as an example to illustrate some dumb point about democrats calling themselves the left- despite the fact that they’ve been called the left since they’ve existed.
When did I say you did?
Cool. But if you’re disassociating with democrats, maybe think about picking a new name. Because when I- and I’m certain many others, hear “the left”, we appropriately think democrat/liberal, and not progressivist, socialist, tankie, or communist- as many in these groups liken themselves as.
Yes. That is what I am saying. If you’re not a liberal/democrat, you’re not “the left” by commonly accepted definition.
As for the remaining rhetoric, it is funny how I use my subtle variations on names, isn’t it?
I mean… We all see how kindly the lemmy “progressives” treat everyone here that is perceived to be even remotely right of Stalin.
Maybe when you are seen standing up to your fellow progressives when they use terms like “libtard” and “bluemaga” and shouting them down like think you’re doing here, you can finally earn that high road you seem to feel you are owned. Until then, enjoy living it up in the slums like the rest of us.
That's not whataboutism. Whataboutism is using issue B to distract from issue A. I'm using another flavor of issue A that you might understand to illustrate issue A.
You said "leftists" (meaning me, derogatorily) strangely compare themselves to the Nazi party.
Let me say this again for the little on the back: you don't define the left, the Democrats don't define the left, you and the Democrats aren't even left. I don't care about the origin of the term in 1800s France, that's completely irrelevant today. France is 5 governments away from that time.
I'm not a fan of Stalin or communism. So get the fuck out with your red scare bullshit. You're the one who went on the attack here, so get your own self and house in order before you start telling others how they need to behave.
I said nothing even remotely close to this. In fact- YOU brought up Nazis, not me. I was simply saying that “the left” in America- by definition are democrats and liberals, and I proved it.
And:
Really? Red scare bullshit? Dude, what’s with the persecution complex?? I haven’t said shit about you, and here you are playing victim- twice over, to some imaginary accusations I’ve made. Fo ahead and re-read through this discussion and point out to me exactly where I ever made an assumption of you- and while you’re at it- note how quick you are with the presumptive accusations. Or wait….
was this not you?
Looks like a direct accusation to me! Weird how you’re the one protesting. It makes methinks something or another….
Seriously though… maybe think about taking a step back and chilling out a bit.
I haven’t once said a single thing about you personally. I don’t know you. And from this conversation alone, I honesty don’t care to.
And whether or not it was or wasn’t whataboutism is entirely irrelevant to the point that the whole Nazi bit was a shit argument to begin with. So, how about you tell me what logical fallacy it was and then we can hang that sign on it instead?
Would that make you feel better?
Walk it off.
I’m not blaming the left or sewing discord serving fascism. Trump is the fascism. Anyone who didn’t actively fight against him is the problem.
So let me get this straight. Someone says
clearly blaming the past inaction of the Democratic Party for the state of affairs today, and you chime in with:
And go on to double down that you are blaming this person for fascism. And all of this is you not sewing discord or blaming the left? You know who I hate worse than sycophants? Sycophants who constantly lie to rile people up. I don't care or believe who you voted for. You behaving like this only serves fascism.
This is exactly what they did to me and it's very apparent that they're not capable of meaningful discourse beyond childish heel digging.
Honestly, you leave Reddit to get away from this paper thin sports-team politics nonsense and yet here we are feeding the parrots.
It's depressing.
I definitely was hoping Lemmy would be better than reddit for this but it's the same neoliberals bullshitting that was rampant there. It's exhausting.
You’re entitled to you opinion. I don’t share it.
I don't need you to share it, I need you to stop spouting bullshit blaming people who want something better.
Just block blakenong. I just did.
I did too after this comment.
This is your interpretation only, and does not represent my opinion.