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First of all, if you're going to buy a fancy expensive non-stick pan, spend the money and buy non-metal utensils to use with it.
Second, if you want to keep using metal utensils, buy anodized aluminum. It's not perfectly non-stick, but it's close and it can take a beating.
We got a set of stainless pots and pans last year and as long as you heat the pan before you put food in it, I've had less sticking than in my old non stick pans.
FTFY. Expensive non-stick has no practical benefit over cheap non-stick. They all wear out in the same amount of time regardless of price, so you might as well buy the cheap stuff so you don't feel as bad when it's time to throw it out.
Otherwise, I'd prefer tri-ply stainless clad aluminum to anodized.
In the pan itself sure, but there's a lot of difference in the handle & weight between cheap and fancy though. All of my cheap ass nonsticks have had the plastic handles fall off before they start peeling
Hmm... maybe go for something on the cheaper end of the scale but not the absolute cheapest, then. Stuff from T-fal/Tefal (which is the company that invented nonstick cookware, by the way) has been cheap but decent in my experience.
Anodized aluminum is porous, that's how the dye stays attached. Also aluminum is not recommended for use with acidic foods. I would personally avoid it.
Aluminum is porous. Hard anodized aluminum is not. That's the whole point of anodizing the aluminum, so that it creates a barrier that stops it from reacting with acids.
The barrier to acids comes from oxidizing the surface, which anodizing does. But pores do not exist in bare aluminum, and hard anodize actually has the biggest pores! There is technically a sealer on the surface, but sticking it in hot water can sometimes release it, depending on what sealer was used. Here's an article with more info: https://www.lightmetalage.com/news/industry-news/surface-finishing/introduction-to-anodizing-aluminum/
That's for general anodizing, not hard anodizing for cookware. They aren't going to use the same process for a chair that will never see water versus a pan designed to be immersed in water. Anodized cookware is fine to use with acids.
Nope. It’s exactly the same process - it’s just Type III not type II.
The sealer is what makes it non porous. That sealer is usually teflon that wears off.
It's the exact same process, except that it isn't. Hard anodized aluminum is not teflon.
Hard anodized aluminum is sealed with something, often teflon.
If there's teflon, then it's advertised as non-stick. Just because it's sealed doesn't mean it's always teflon.
Can you give me an example? Calphalon for instance have "hard-anodized nonstick" but they're still teflon. Anodizing is actually how teflon is usually made - the anodizing makes a porous surface that the teflon can stick to. So you'right that the sealer is different, it's just teflon.
https://madeincookware.com/blogs/non-stick-vs-hard-anodized
Hard anodized aluminum is not teflon.
Correct, hard anodized does not equal Teflon. But point me to a link selling just a hard anodized pan. If you search "hard anodized cookware" the top links are all hard anodized + teflon ("nonstick"). Tfal, Calphalon, Cuisinart...
Search for "hard anodized PTFE free"...
They all seem to be ceramic-coated. So. When will you admit that hard-anodized is porus, requires a coating, and the coating can still be teflon? "Hard Anodized" is a useless keyword.
I'll admit that you simply want to do everything possible to prove me wrong on a single point on a post that has nothing to do with that you're arguing about. Seriously, I'm done trying to convince you of anything. Have a nice day...
And I'll guess I'll stop arguing with soneone who can't count, Bonehead.
I have parrots so no telfon anything in my house. Bought two Green Pan ceramic skillets fairly cheap and they are still going strong a decade later. Definitely don't use metal utensils in them.
What does parrots have to do with cookware?
Birds are extremely sensitive to the fumes given off by Teflon and will die. So no Teflon anything in the house.
Holy shit. Had no idea.