I mean... I kinda get it, but nowadays it's starting to get absurd.
(EDIT: This was supposed to be a "blow air out my nose and get on with my life" meme...)
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Quite frankly, I think you're failing to see that a major part of American culture, a literal founding principle, is "live free or die". Americans are obviously not going to take that censorship as just a small downside.
Quality of life is less important than freedom.
This is also just a lie. They don't own land.
Pointing out Americans system of live free or dying to avert censorship while also repeating US propaganda about China is hilariously ironic
What happens to the land/house you own if you don't pay property tax in the US? Chinas 70 year lease is effectively a more solidified ownership than the US.
That's pure philosophy. I would argue that complete legal ownership is more ownership...
None of what I said was propaganda lmfao. Lease is just pure facts, and censorship is something that you'd have to be blind to think isn't real.
Whatabout whatabout whatabout
We, in fact, do own land. We just have an explicit contract with our government vs the implicit one people in the US have. Look into imminent domain seizures in the US.
...you know that a lease isn't ownership right?
Yes, they can take land you own... That doesn't mean you don't own it lol. Just because you can lose something doesn't mean you don't own it. And that's a lot more niche a situation then you're thinking it is
...the 'lease' is that you don't own it independent of the government, as in despite owning the land you're not your own country. You'll find this in every country, except in China it's spelled out. It has an expiration since, you know, China tends to reform itself over time. None have expired, and right now under current law none of them can expire, they are automatically renewed to the owner at the time of expiry, with the assumption the owner isn't going to commit treason.
Like the 'social credit score' nonsense you people made up, it's a gross misinterpretation of reality that you believe because you fundamentally believe Chinese people are different than you.
???? Fascist government vs democracy (fingers crossed we stay one) and you think there isn't a difference? Man you've been swallowing some serious propaganda. It's not about the people, it's about the government.
No, you won't. It's a different system. I'm not going to say it's a worse system, because it's not really, it's just a different system. But you need to recognize that it is substantially different. A lease is different from pure ownership. There's a lot less guarantees involved.
By no definition of fascism is China fascist. Reread your Eco.
The government is the people. A fifth of the Chinese public are cpc members. It costs nothing to join, there are no requirements besides being a citizen and not being a convicted traitor. Anyone can join and start voting and participating.
And again, no, it's not a different system. I get that you're angry you'll never own your home in the US, whereas 92% of Chinese adults over 21 own their own home, but that doesn't change reality. The 'lease' is that your land is under the Chinese government, not the US government or Russians government, and thus subject to the laws in China and can be revoked if you use your land in a revolution against China.
Every single country on earth has this clause. Every single one. China assigns it per deed, rather than an overarching law, because of the autonomous districts that have different leases, like Tibet or Xinjiang.
It's clear you've been extensively propagandized to think china isn't fascist. I'm not sure if I can discuss with someone who cannot see how their own country is run ...
The government is not the people .
... I'm on track to get one in 2 years.
...no
You're still ignoring how china can and has disappeared or block people from the country simply for expressing their views, and used "police forces" to enforce their laws upon citizens in other territories
And you call me propagandized... No, people in jail aren't disappeared because they lost their right to talk to the press. No, there is not a global network of secret police arresting Chinese people. No, China is not alone in blocking travel to their country for hate speech or other bigotry.
If you believe these things, and you seriously see no problem with them, you aren't able to speak on politics. It'd be like discussing consent with a Mormon or physics with a flat earther... I mean seriously, a global network of secret police stations in other countries? Complete control of the speech of 1,400,000,000 humans?
This is as ridiculous as the 'Jewish new world order' stuff a lot of you people believe
...no one ever said complete. You're intentionally exaggerating my statements into thing that are not to make them so more unrealistic than they actually are. I know your type.
Like this. Changing what I said into something else.
I'm calling you propagandized because you're going to deny the oppression of the uyghurs in your country. You're also just outright ignoring what happened in hong kong.
China is NOT the same.
Are black Americans oppressed in the US by being put in prison? Is it because they're black or because they're poor and thus more likely to need to do crime in order to survive?
If there were a solution that brought the entirety of black Americans out of poverty by locking up the most dangerous 10% of them after a jury trial and conviction until they were rehabilitated, while massively investing in majority black areas to ensure poverty is no longer a thing in those areas, would you do it?
This isn't whataboubtism, before you fail to report me for that.
Also Hong Kong was colonized until it was returned to China, it was never independent. I'm sorry white people lost their tax haven.
No, you're right, that isn't whataboutism.
It's a hypothetical about what did not happen to the chinese population.
Surely violently killing students is reasonable in light of that....
The students that stole police weapons and started shooting?
Are you fucking with me right now?
Whatabout whatabout whatabout
Using comparisons to make a point is not whataboubtism, Mr. Shapiro.