cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24607393
credit for this post to :
@denimaww@lemmy.world
The US is actually going to implement a nationwide abortion ban and the measures for how it's going to be handled are already in the works. This bill, which I link to here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/7/text , seems ok at first glance and only seems to want to implement nationwide healthcare centers for women. But when you actually look at what these Pro Women's Healthcare Centers are and mean to offer, it becomes really clear what's going on.
On the first page of the PDF or booklet that appear when you search for the healthcare centers it is clear that they are supported by pro-life organisations and hold extreme pro-life values. And when you read the (very short) booklet it states their values and services that are to be provided. Among them is a requirement for "Abortion Pill Reversal" and encouragement for "Sterilization Reversal". The last page clearly states their values, where among them it states that:
"Abortion is not women's healthcare, because of the damage it causes to women's physical and emotional health and the destruction of unborn life, many of whom are females. Abortion is usually something women turn to when they feel they do not have another choice. This is a tragedy and the opposite of choice and empowerment."
And it goes on to list similiar values. The bill to implement these healthcare centers states that:
"That the House of Representatives—
(1) expresses its support for women nationwide to have access to comprehensive, convenient, compassionate, life-affirming, high-quality health care; and
(2) recognizes the high standards established by Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers consortium as standards worth implementing nationwide."
This means that the values that these Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers have are to be set as standards nationwide.
A link to the PDF/booklet about the Pro Women’s Healthcare Centers (PWHC): https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/PWHC-Booklet.pdf
I agree with most of what you said, but voting 3rd party in the general election really is mathematically equivalent to simply not voting.
And it's worse when it's voting 3rd party in place of voting for the least bad of the two electable parties, then (just like not voting) it's mathematically equivalent to voting for the most bad of the two parties.
This is not an opinion. It's how the elections are structured, and I would very much prefer a better structure, but we don't have it and have to work with what we have.
Even in the primaries, voting 3rd party usually simply means being unable to influence the major parties - but in this case you are absolutely correct that the "primaries" were a farce.
It’s also not an opinion, that when people feel like you don’t actually act in their interests, they start voting for others.
Mainstream and centrist democrats do just enough to be less awful than republicans, but that’s not what we need as a country. Biden did just enough to return to the old (and only less awful) status quo.
See people who give a fuck about genocide watching most dems support genocide by Israel.
See people who are smart enough to know this economy actually sucks for the bottom 90%
See people who watched as Biden and his government agencies pissed away four years and failed to hold a fucking insurrectionist to account.
See people watching democrats treat that insirrectionist’s party as if they were somehow reasonable and fair minded people with whom “compromising” is acceptable; and deciding that, no, maybe we shouldn’t vote for people willing to parrot the republican party line on immigration.
I voted Harris, but damn was my nose aching from pinching it closed. At a certain point party leadership needs to pull their heads out their asses and realize the reason voters left is because they keep running to the right. You want more voters? Try running to the left.
Climate resilience. Universal healthcare. Tackle income inequality. Tackle the cause of education debt. Tackle the cause of gun violence and throw in solid, reasonable restrictions on guns. Tackle homelessness with proven strategies. Tackle drug addiction in ways that actually work. Open up immigration and tackle that crisis too.
Like, it ain’t rocket science. (Though we also need to fund that and keep all the patents here and not held exclusively by Chinese companies making bank off our research grants.)
Edit: this is like a store blaming the customers when the customers stop shopping there because the store doesn’t sell what they want.
Beautifully said.
Oh for fucks sake. Electoral college. I’m in a solid blue state it doesn’t fucking matter who the fuck I vote for or if I vote at all. But even if I was in a swing state there’s no way in fucking hell id be voting for a genocider and liberals need to get that through their thick fucking minds instead of smugly admonishing and tsk tsking everyone with fucking morals who refused to vote for that piece of shit.
This is NOT the way to win elections and blue MAGA is too high on their own supply to understand why they fucking lost in a landslide.
DEMOCRATS ARE TO BLAME FOR TRUMPS RETURN. RUN A COMPETITIVE PRIMARY AND THIS WOULD OF NEVER HAPPENED.
also in my state I can vote for whoever I want in a primary. I can vote in the democrat or Republican or progressive (state party) primary. Another +1 for Vermonts pro democracy policies.
Yeah, I was writing for the perspective of someone whose votes mattered at all to begin with (which isn't myself). Indeed the electoral college is its own catastrophe and needs to die.
Anyway, yes, the DNC is to blame. I agree.
However a part of the mechanism that helped trump win is opinions like "even if I was in a swing state there’s no way in fucking hell id be voting for a genocider" - I get it, I really do, but if I were in a swing state myself there's no way I'd help the rapist convict even worse genocider win. There were no good options this election, but there were orders of magnitude differences between levels of bad.
I’m not voting for a genocider period. I voted third party which is a vote against genocide. I have zero regrets and am enjoying the liberal fucking meltdown over it.
Which 3rd party did you vote for that was against genocide?
I voted for de la Cruz, party for socialism and liberation.
I've got some bad news for you...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation
Staunch support for the PRC and DPRK, which are pretty complicit in genocide. You voted for as much of a "genocider" as Kamala is, and you got a literally "finish the job" actual genocide supporter instead.
It was a fuck you to the US government. As if a party that doesn’t even get 1% of the vote would gain any power.
I guess next time I’ll just not vote, would that be better for you? Or should I continue to be backstabbed by democrats? Would that please you? Anyone who doesn’t support the genocide ticket is a fascist right? Typical lemmy.world user.
Fucking wrong. It was a "fuck you" to my niece, born with a lifelong medical condition. It was a "fuck you" to my non-cis partner. It was a "fuck you" to my trans cousin. It was a fuck you to my gay neighbor. It was a fuck you to all the little girls who are going to be forced to give birth before their 13th birthday. It was a "fuck you" to kids just trying to go to public school and get some semblance of an education. The only people it wasn't a "fuck you" for, were the goddamn knuckle dragging hooting bigots who wanted trump in office. Someday, hopefully, we'll get another election, and I hope, if you're still alive, that you remember that voting isn't just a right, it's a fucking responsibility, and when you squander your vote on a useless protest when the fate of the entire country is on the line, and you know that it is, you won't fucking waste it, like you did last year.
Oh fuck off. I’m a queer woman in a blue state living under the anti democratic electoral college. Hold the fucking democrats responsible for their failures instead of crying to me about something I have ZERO control over. I could of voted for trump, Harris, Mickey Mouse, none of if would fucking matter. My state went to Holocaust Harris no matter who the fuck I voted for.
Blocked.
You know who said fuck you to all the above in your comment? THE DEMOCRATS WHEN THEY REFUSED TO PROTECT DEMOCRACY BY HOLDING LEGITIMATE PRIMARIES. THE BIDEN ADMIN WHEN THEY SLOW WALKED TRUMPS J6 INVESTIGATION. THE DEMOCRATS WHEN THEY SENT A BLANK CHECK TO ISRAEL SUPPORTING THEIR GENOCIDE, SOON TO COME HERE TO AMERICA. but like a fucking fool all you’ll do is vote for them over and over again expecting a different result. THEY brought us fascism. Not a fucking queer woman from vermont you fuck.
For anyone down here, witness; their slight discomfort mattered more than the actual pain and suffering happening to their community already, which is why they threw a fit when confronted with the truth of their actions. Learn from this, and don't be like them.
Spoiler: you voted to put an actual genocide supporter in office, either knowingly so, or against all available, pervasive and obvious info, ignorantly so.
What landslide? Why do people keep insisting that this was a resounding defeat? The margin was absolutely minuscule.
Because it was a landslide. They lost the presidency, the senate, the house, state governments, local elections. My state lost the most seats.
Not calling it a landslide is liberal la la land refuse to self reflect cope.