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The Chinese-built Polestar 3. It had a range of 330 miles in the freezing cold, just 5% less than the stated range.
Second place went to the Chinese BYD Tang with 300 miles, 9% less than stated.
Tesla was close to the bottom of the list, with 24% less range than stated.
I see people who say they hate Tesla but they claim Tesla cars have better range. With this information I can refute everyone who spreads that lie. Tesla cars lie about their range capabilities and the number is less valuable than the paper it's printed on.
Now I'm confused, WLTP is measured at a certain temperature. Since the Polestar and the Tesla made it the same distance, shouldn't they have the same WLTP range?
Does the Polestar just perform better at lower temperatures? Does the Polestar also exceed its rated range in summer then?
Tesla just states a higher range than the car has.
Is the WLTP range not checked by any authority?
Since the testing environment is pretty clear I would have assumed that there is a central authority that tests the claims and reprimands the manufacturer if the claims are off by too much.
Your view of the relationship between governments and global corporations is adorable.
I don't know many car-related EU and national authorities that can be ignored by the manufacturer without consequences. Otherwise we would have manufacturers that lie about the size, weight, capacity, speed limits and acceleration of their cars to pad their numbers.
Did you forget the whole diesel emissions scandal? A ridiculous amount of car manufacturers were caught after it turns out they were lying on the tests for years at that point.
It takes time before the government properly audits and finds these issues.
That's different. They were not just lying, they were cheating. If they had given them the wrong emission values in the first place they would not have been allowed to sell their cars in the EU.
Semantic difference, surely? Tesla's advertised range is also rarely the actual range, so there's likely some fuckery going on there too.
The car manufacturers have to publish results from standardized tests for range, fuel economy, battery capacity, etc.
The regulations for those test regimes are largely written by "industry experts" (i.e. lobbyists employed by the car manufacturers).
Then they program the engine management chips in their cars to recognize when the car is on a test stand and go into extreme efficiency mode.
There was a scandal about this a couple years ago with VW and they got some flak for it. By now it's come out that all manufacturers do this, but the outrage is gone, it's accepted as just another fact of big business.
I wanted to get a Polestar but all I could find was a used one, two hours away. Went BMW this round but I'm still keeping an eye on Polestar.