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[–] pingveno@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you're referencing Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020, he wasn't "democratically popular" in either race. That simply is not supported by polling or election results. He was well behind Clinton by all metrics. Then in 2020, he was briefly "winning" because several similar candidates were splitting the center-left lane. The moment the center-left lane narrowed, Sanders' lead evaporated.

It's SOP for candidates to more or less clear the field for an incumbent president. This is partially because of a perceived effect from a strong primary challenger weakening an incumbent. So Democrats were just doing what both parties have been doing for the last half century.

The change from Biden was in response to clear reactions from the US electorate. The electorate saw Biden's debate performance and was not impressed. There wasn't time to run a process, so Kamala was the obvious choice given a non-ideal situation. But the electorate got what it wanted in terms of an option that wasn't elderly.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Butterpaderp@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Did you forgot the part where it came down to just bernie vs biden in 2020 and people overwhelmingly voted for biden?

I like bernie too, but he wasn't gonna get the pick

Edit: I have angered the bernie bros

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All these sources of intentional corruption against someone running to improve the lives of all Americans and not just a select few, and you just go "Hmm, but he was losing according to the media that lied to us, so he lost fair and square."

[–] Butterpaderp@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I see how many people didnt vote for him. How is the media lying about that?

You could argue that media was against him, but the truth is that people in america just aren't that progressive. I mean hell, look at how terrible the dem turnout was this year compared to last election.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Democrats aren't progressives. Maybe if they were, they wouldn't lose all the time.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"If they just had my opinions (that are unpopular to the US population at large), they would win."

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, except progressive positions are broadly popular. Raising billionaire and corporate taxes? Popular. Single-payer healthcare? Popular. Universal Basic Income?Popular. Bernie Sanders? Still pretty fucking popular!

Meanwhile, how popular was the flaccid centrist platform the Democrats put up this year? Is Kamala gonna be president? Are they gonna keep the Senate? Is the house looking good? No? Then maybe it's time for all the popularity experts in the Democratic party to shut the fuck up.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Data? In an argument with a data denial weirdo? Good luck on convincing this weirdo.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm just so fucking tired of hearing why the policies that I and most of the country want are unpopular from people who can't win a fucking election.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 8 months ago

Yep. Maybe whenever we're allowed elections again we'll have a candidate with polices that people like. Thanks Harris!