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[–] python@programming.dev 98 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Was he actually Italian though? As in, speaking Italian, having an Italian passport etc.? Y'all Americans have weird definitions of nationality, just having a foreign sounding last name isn't really enough...

[–] Enoblk@lemmy.world 78 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When someone from America says they Italian or whatever they aren't talking about nationality, it's about ancestry, where your family came from not what county you were born in

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 72 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No no no no........it's about what kind of food your mom cooked when you were a kid.

Which makes me.......uhhhhhh........clown? I don't know. She bought a lot of McDonalds.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don’t know how, but your comment wove a huge Scottish folk tale in my head revolving around fast food franchises.

in a loud Scottish accent “Let us sing of the day that the McDonalds slew the evil Burger King and rescued Wendy from her castle top prison, which was guarded by the monstrous Jack in the Box!”

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Old MacDonald had a grill, E-I-E-I-O!
And on his grill he put some beef, E-I-E-I-O!
With some onions here and a pickle slice there,
Ketchup squirt, mustard squirt,
Buns top and bottom keep the mess off his shirt,
Old MacDonald had a meal, E-I-E-I-O!

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Subscribe to The Juicy Tales of Ronald now. Written by aeronmelon, narrated by Sean Connery.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

She was constantly making lemon meringue pies?

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Dude's name is Luigi and his last name sounds like a pizza restaurant. That settles it for me, thank you very much.

[–] python@programming.dev 20 points 3 days ago (6 children)

You joke, but that kind of prejudice is pretty hurtful in day to day life

[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's important to remember that the Italians and the Irish were treated as a low rung of American society not all that long ago.

They are legitimate victims of the brunt of American hate.

[–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is there anyone Americans haven't hated and/or discriminated against yet? Anyone ever not been a victim of the US?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Hard to discriminate against someone who can buy their way past it.

[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Counterpoint, CEO's death being praised by many. Seems like hatred is an equal opportunity thing, but some are more insulated to it than others.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Counterpoint to counterpoint: the CEO was hated for being a shitty person who lead the charge in denying healthcare, not because of his wealth.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Is it though? You would be hurt if someone thought you were Italian? You must think pretty poorly of them lol

In America since we came here and took the land from the natives we just assume everyone's family came from somewhere else at some point in recent history. A lot of families are very proud of their ancestry and talk about it a lot.

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My name comes from an ethnic background but I dont look ethnic so I always get weird Looks at doctors offices because of it. I think its pretty funny but I guess some people dont find it as funny to be "profiled" so to speak. It really depends on the culture you grew up in and how high tolerance actually was for that sort of thing in your life, at least thats my two cents. I dont mind it but others might.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I'm not trying to hate on you but there's a real problem with using the word ethnic to mean non white. You are certainly ethnic. You belong to an ethnicity.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

sorry but Luigi Mangione sounds like a name a token Italian character would have in harry potter. idk how prejudiced it is to assume this is an italian name.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Buddy, I'm German, I assure you I've been subjected to plenty of prejudice myself. Ever seen Die Hard? So flattering (not).

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

on average, how many "nein"s do you hear from non-germans per day?

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 3 points 3 days ago

I have the perfect response to that but this is by far my favorite sub and I don't want to risk offending the mods, so I'm afraid I can't answer that question.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, fast food places are a nightmare, for one. It's always "neiny nein" this and "neiny nein" that.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago

Neintynein McDonald's burgers
Giving me a sleep disorder
To worry, worry, super scurry
Seek out the restroom in a hurry

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Everything is hurtful now. Even nationality... jeez

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee -2 points 3 days ago
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

According to Italian law if you have Italian ancestry, you're Italian. There's a whole process (with many asterisks and exceptions) in which you can apply to get your Italian passport

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 6 points 3 days ago

My great grandfather was an Italian immigrant. My father is looking into getting an Italian passport. Maybe being a soon-to-be physician will improve my chances of getting one too. (Maybe I'll switch from learning French to learning Italian too)

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

White Africans and Black Germans must have a great old time over there

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

White Africans

Charlize Theron is doing fantastic!

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I intentionally chose someone else because fuck Musk.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Makes sense, then just for fun I'll through in Halle Berry for the African American German haha

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's the American part

[–] int_not_found@feddit.org 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The word you are looking for is enthnicity. Enthnicity describes the (self-)perceived belonging to a population group. This is of course highly subjective.

There is undeniably perception of grouping in the US based on heritage, where it doesn't really matter when your ancestors arrived, just from where. So from an American POV it makes sense to call him Italian, because he is in the same perceived group as all the people from Italy.

On the other hand from a European POV it doesn't really matter, where your great grandparents come from. You are part of the US-Group, so you are American.

This is not an exclusive US Problem, but a general migration problem & it happens everywhere. Comments like yours are the reason, why people from migrated families feel like they are in-between cultures. Instead of writing snarky comments on the internet, just accept that your perception of ethnicity is part of your ethnicity and other people can have other perceptions.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Ever heard a white American try to have the tired-ass what's your ancestry conversation with a black American descended from slaves? It's pretty awkward. I hate these conversations and they need to stop.

I get it all the time because I'm 7/8 "white" and my last name is pretty distinctively German, even though it's been anglicized.

[–] _LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

More of a

visits Italy for the first time over summer

continues to tell every living soul that their father's father's neighbour's goldfish, was italian

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