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thereβs more than shown here and itβs more than just these users too π
if you find the thread donβt piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe donβt bring it back here i donβt want 400 notifications of entry level βis almond milk milkβ vegan discourse
Ah yeah, I've had an interaction with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo... ideal discussion partner right there.
politely raises hand
While I think factory farming is abhorrent, I find the most compelling reasons to eat plant-based to be the environmental ones. Therefore, I think "I only eat a little bit of meat" is actually a huge positive step someone can take. If your primary concern regarding meat is the cruelty of taking the life of another animal, that's completely valid, but compared to the others, that square just feels out of place.
The "Vegans are loud and annoying" crowd are more loud and annoying than actual vegans in my personal experience.
Often when society had an extreme default position on a topic, its defenders sound batshit insane.
See:
So true. I'm not vegan, but someone proudly yelling about how much meat they eat is so fucking cringe. Very "suck it, libs" mindset.
But you probably won't get called a murderer 20 seconds into the discussion though.
You'd be surprised. Both "The farming of your plants kills more animals than livestock raising" and "veganism is genocide because they'll stop breeding the animals if we stop eating them" unironocally come up almost instantly when I talk about it and I'm not even quite vegan, I just avoid animal products because of allergies to a lot of them...
It took me a whole 24 hours to realise that the person having a weird, inconsistent, fact-swerving argument with me (about my assertion that most male cattle are killed young for meat) was the original one from the screenshot!
My last time talking to them, they were arguing that the use of the word "exploitation" in the vegan society's definition of veganism simply meant "use" because that's a thesaurus entry for exploitation. When their argument breaks down they go full on "words are just invented".
I found the comment chain. Nuts. They always pick and the weirdest stuff to argue over.
that never happened
TIL there's a bingo TLD.
Almonds are bad for bees? Huh
I'm not antivegan
Unequivocally, yes you are, and at that, you're one of the most agonizingly stubborn and disinformed ones I've ever talked to.
Edit: Sharing this conversation here in the context of them being banned from /c/vegan so users can understand how completely full of shit this user is (yes, their actual argument they started at /c/vegan is that vegans starting from a position of "humans have rights" is a flawed position to start from and thus invalidates their argument for veganism):
Edit 2: Oh, and they have this thing where they like to reply to a single comment with several comments while claiming it's because they "don't want to engage in a Gish gallop" (paraphrased), meanwhile facilitating a Gish gallop by making an unfollowable branching tree of comments.
your link shows the same as the op thread: I'm primarily interested in a factual, scientifically accurate discussion.
My link shows that you're interested in muddying the waters by either intentionally spreading disinformation or by speaking with absolute confidence about subjects you clearly lack the capacity to understand even the most fundamental principles of.
anyone can read it and see i grasp the subject, and reject unscientific work.
You grasp the subject so much that you're too fucking stupid to understand the most basic facets of supply and demand that a literal 10-year-old could understand. lmao okay
I'm still unsure whether they actually believe what they are saying makes any kind of sense and could actually be deemed a rational thought or whether they are just pulling our legs. Either way, engaging in any kind of discussion with them should probably just be avoided
Educated stupid
I'm the authority in my own beliefs, and I am not antivegan
You sure love to argue against points that you perceive as supporting veganism, though!
Itβs all about downplaying and denying.
i only argue against specious claims. I think there are fine reasons to choose to be vegan.
You sure love to argue against posts that you perceive as supporting veganism. You spent a whole day arguing against "most male cows are killed for meat before adulthood"!
you don't know what my perception is. you can only speak to your own.
The evidence is your post history. You can't hide your bias behind "you don't know that". Yes I do.
you are making a leap of logic. you don't know what you seem to think you know.
You're expecting me to ignore your post history in favour of your assertions, just like you expect me to ignore facts about dairy farming in favour of your biases. It's not working.
I'm expecting you to defer to my own authority about my own perception.
You're expecting me to believe implausible things that are inconsistent with your extensive anti vegan comment history.
i'm not antivegan.
Says the guy with the extensive anti vegan post history.
I think at times, in the heat of the moment, when someone calls you out on it, sometimes you nearly believe that, but anyone who reads your post history cannot.
your characterization of my comments does not change the fact
Of course not. And your mischaracterisation of your comments and position and implausible assertions about them don't successfully edit away your extensive fact-denying anti-vegan comment history.
The happy animals one is hilarious. I would have no problem with someone eating me after I died and I sure as shit am not happy
Ah yes. That one is the one where every interlocutor happens to only eat meat "from their uncles farm with 3 cows on 40 acres of pasture, where they're hand-scrubbed by cherubs while eating figs."