This is the first time I'm seeing a way to host a full Bluesky network, I think. It seems like a big step towards full federation beyond appviews and personal data servers.

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[–] sith@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

People here need to realize that 90% of the microbloggers don't give a fuck about decentralization or FOSS. They want something that works and doesn't force them into a ketamine fuled nazi oligarchy delirium. Mastodon doesn't work for normal people. It kind of works if you're a FOSS nerd or some kind of fediverse idealist. (It works for me, because it doesn't drag me into endless flame wars and I'm almost only following FOSS accounts).

My experience with Lemmy is that it is much more functional as in "Reddit replacement". There are of course super few users, but it feels active and engaging (for better or worse). So in theory, maybe it could be a replacement.

But Mastodon has never been a "Twitter replacement". It feels more like a fancy RSS client. Search, feeds and interactions just doesn't work very well.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

There are several reasons why Mastodon doesn't work for normal people, but the biggest one is, honestly, Mastodon users. People have shown themselves to be rather inventive in the face of technical limitations, or they're willing to put up with toxic people for the sake of a great user experience, but you need the people who show up in the space to not experience both negatives.

A lot of Mastodon's UX is really frustrating, in large part because Mastodon tries to disguise the fact that everyone's using different websites. People would be a lot more forgiving of the jankiness of federation if they truly understood that what they're doing is the equivalent of talking to Facebook users from Twitter. But the UI of Mastodon, the language of Mastodon, the layout of Mastodon, the features of Mastodon, and even the 'marketing' of Mastodon all try to make it look like the @website.com at the end of everyone's name is just some frilly flair.

Lemmy has some similar issues, frankly, though not nearly as bad. And Lemmy is a space where I think we will see the idea of talking to people across different websites will really be treated as more core to the culture of the space, because Lemmy isn't really going out of its way to hide the nature of the space as much as Mastodon is.

Still, I wish the hosting websites were treated as first-class citizens by Lemmy itself, rather than as just the url the 'communities' are taking up space on.

[–] admin@lemmyusa.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I've heard from numerous people here that Mastodon is the "worst" of microblogging platforms on the Fediverse. Mainly due to its lack of features.

[–] JupiterRowland@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

There are two kinds of people who claim that Mastodon is the best.

One, absolute fanbois and fangurls who, in addition, don't even know that Pleroma, Misskey or any forks of either exist, much less what they're like. Their point is always "biggest = most popular = best", although they themselves, like almost everyone on Mastodon, were railroaded onto Mastodon without being told that there's more to the Fediverse than Mastodon, even in terms of microblogging.

I'm not even kidding when I say the UX on the *keys is closer to Twitter than that on Mastodon. And at the same tiime, the *keys show what Fediverse projects something comes from whereas Mastodon tries hard to make everyone believe that the Fediverse is Mastodon.

Two, Mastodon devs. I've actually had a Mastodon developer who knew that I'm on Hubzilla comment into my face that Mastodon is literally the only feature-complete Fediverse project. I could have inquired him about Mastodon support for one or two dozen Hubzilla features, ranging from full HTML rendering over nomadic identity and WebDAV/CalDAV/CardDAV connectivity to a built-in wiki engine. But I didn't.

[–] sith@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, it pretty much sucks for mainstream microblogging. Good as RSS replacement though.