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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Your theory is just a theory, and a weak one. The evidence suggests that the election was mainly just a backlash against inflation and immigration, as has happened across the world to parties of all stripes. Not much could have been done to avert the outcome. But it is also clear that a bunch of voters were pissed off by what they perceived as Democrat excesses on cultural issues, and apparently many of those people were in swing states.

More generally: "just turn out the base" is usually a losing strategy in democratic politics. For a simple reason: the cost of turning out your own base is that you will fire up the opposing base and turn them out too. To be sure of winning an election in democracy, you will need to get your hands dirty and persuade people. In practice that will mean tacking towards the center and making compromises.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm European who votes green. I want the Democrats to win because that is better for the world. If only you did too.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I voted for Harris as a way to vote against Trump and Republicans like I do every fucking election despite Dems constsntly shooting themselves in the foot every election where Obama didn't run. You know, the two elections where they promoted actual hope and progressive change instead of pandering to the fucking centrists and did extremely well and the only time I actually wanted them to win.

Of course the Republicans obstructed the shit out of that attempt at change and the country learned nothing.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

like I do every fucking election

Good. That gives you the right to whine (which you seem pretty good at).

The Obama presidency produced some decent outcomes. In democracy you never get everything you want. I agree that the bank-bailout moment was a terrible wasted opportunity.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Bailout was under Bush. Obama could have reversed course a few months later when he was sworn in, but I'm pretty sure that would have caused an even worse economic disaster.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That gives you the right to whine (which you seem pretty good at).

You are pretty good at being confidently incorrect.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

And you at firing off empty zingers.