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Opinion: Trump wins 2024 election. America needs to admit it's not 'better than this.'
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Even the far left is stupid in America. They're supposed to be the educated ones. But instead of doing their civic duty, they stayed home. And you can blame it on Democrats all you like, but it's your duty to go vote, no matter who you vote for. The turnout this election was pathetic.
I don't understand how these people are going to complain now for the next 4 years, when they didn't even want to take part.
It is absolutely fucking infuriating how many people disagree with your assessment here but you are absolutely 100% right as fuck.
I expected him to win, but i did not expect such a sad turnout.
Ok this line of thinking is pissing me off.
As of this right now the turn out is 140,144,378 and counting (it will be weeks before the final number).
If we look at the last 90 or so years we can see that this "sad turnout" is the second highest only behind 2020s 158,481,688.
90 years ago the entire US population was less than that 140 million, let alone eligible voters. Percentage of eligible voters would make a better argument than absolute numbers when you're comparing over time.
That said, 140m versus 158m is a huge drop. An astonishing drop. The final total could still amount to a >10% reduction in turnout, despite a slight increase in the number of eligible voters. I don't understand how that could be viewed as not sad, regardless of who you vote for.
Ok, a few things. This is also using the percent of eligible voters and shows about the expected turn out if not higher then normal. And more importantly 140 million is not the final number in fact some places have stated "National turnout has been estimated at 64.5 percent this year, with around 158 million ballots counted out of the 245 million eligible voters."
I am sorry that this is not the easy target of blame people clearly want it to be.
She got 14 millions less votes than Biden.I doubt there are even 10 million far leftists in the USA.
Gaza is to Harris what Drone Strikes were to Hillary in 2016.
Do you have anything to back this up, or is this typical Democrat blaming people they never tried to appeal to?
Abysmal voter turnout
2020 is not the fucking baseline, this was above average, great even. 2020 was the highest turnout since Reconstruction you can't rely on that to stick
Honestly it should be. If people could find ways to vote during a pandemic, they should be able to do it without one. That we've regressed is a serious issue
Am I right in my understanding that the 'super high' turnout of 2020 was still less than 50% of eligible voters? That really looks like maybe a minimum turnout threshold should exist :(
You mean the abysmal (checks notes) second highest turn out since 1932? The turnout whose numbers are still as of right now being counted? That turnout?
Guess liberals should have tried to get people excited to vote.
You shouldve been aninated enough to vote against trump. He is just that bad, abstaining is abhorrent.
Right on the money.
It’s a lot easier to blame things than to fix them.
Yeah turn on each other immediately. That will give you hope for next time.
What next time?
Good chance there isn't going to be a next time, dude. It's hard not sounding hyperbolic when saying things like "its the end of the world" but the next four years were CRITICAL to climate change, and we've voted to pour even more gas all over it. We don't even have violent resistance to fall back on. The 'progressives' who stayed home this election because they couldnt hold their nose and vote for harris? Have damned us all. They're just as much to blame for whats about to happen as the pathetic campaign harris was running.
It doesn't matter if we're fracturing the left. There was never any unity there in the first place.
I think it was the Trump voters that did that, actually.
It is all of the electorates fault, and exclusively the electorates fault
And the electorate (well, active electorate) is majority Trump voters
Abstaining is an active political choice. Every adult in America is the electorate
I have good news! I'll end up in a conversion camp because yall decided the lives of illiberal islamist fucks halfway across the world were more important than mine. Guess I'll get exactly what I deserve for... checks notes not wanting to be genocided
And I suppose allowing the guy wholl put boots on the ground to make sure your friends and family die off faster to ascend to the Oval Office was the right call? Because that is literally every other option
The opinion of a shit starter and flame fanner is not needed.
14 million
Democrats didnt want people voting. This was the year of fighting against ballot access. They directly disenfranchised so many people.
That's bullshit. Dems win when turnout is larger. Turnout was significantly below 2020.
Dems have learned to never nominate a woman again, because this country is so fucking sexist.
Exactly, why else would GOP work so hard to purge voter lists of people with foreign sounding names a week before the election.
1 person requested reviews of 100,000 voters via an automated tool the GOP made available
https://www.thecentersquare.com/wisconsin/article_1806de3c-60b6-11ef-96af-1757ab5f5fa6.html
https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/09/supreme-court-rejects-green-party-bid-to-appear-on-2024-nevada-ballot/
https://www.michiganpublic.org/politics-government/2024-08-16/progressive-activist-cornel-west-blocked-from-mich-presidential-ballot
https://www.wrdw.com/2024/09/12/cornel-west-claudia-de-la-cruz-barred-ga-presidential-ballot/
Yeah, Dems are going to fight against spoilers propped up by the GOP.
You're an idiot to think they were anything aside from that.
As for Cornell West, https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cornel-west-donation-harlan-crow-1234857237/
Fuck do you mean spoilers, they are running for election, democrats are spoilers for them.
Oh, my sweet summer child.
Read a book.
Read my links.
Democrats fought hard to ban candidates from participating in this election.
Your links are trash, and I've already dealt with them.
Am I supposed to be sad that the Dems fought to keep RFK Jr from being a useful idiot for the GOP, and tried to stop him from siphoning votes? You know, the guy who is now going to run amok in the Trump administration with his deranged ideas about healthcare, as a thanks for his efforts?
Am I supposed to be sad that the Dems fought against Jill Stein, a widely-known Putin-funded tool for years and years?
Fuck no. It isn't a betrayal of the ideals of freedom, representation, and democracy to fight against obvious sabotage of the system. There are always fools like you who will do the GOP's work, and try to stop the Democrats from fighting them from perverting the system. You're a tool of your enemy and too dumb to know it.
You aint dealt with shit, you came in here saying it was made up at the start. Now youre scrambling to justify this thing you didnt even believe was true before. Youre talking about siphoning votes, you are talking about an election, about democracy. Where you as a citizen get to have your voice heard and vote for who you want to vote for. RFK, Jill Stein, Cornell West, not a one of them has any ability or authority to take votes. Every vote cast for them is freely given by the only person that should have any say in who their vote goes to. That is how democracy works, and it is the definition of fascism to try and stop that. The only democratic option a candidate has in trying to keep voters from voting for someone else, is to be a better candidate.
I cannot argue with someone so proud of their stupidity. Go for yourself.
I aint putting up with fascists assaulting democracy anymore. Let people vote, let people run for election, I dont give a shit what you think about them.