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@gsfraley@lemmy.world is arguing practical impact. You're arguing intent. You will never agree to anything if you continue to keep discussing different topics disguised as the same.
Also what I learned from Jill Stein is that 3rd parties never try local elections in states, cities. They seem to only pop up in national elections to steal votes and make no impact
And when they inevitably fail, that is only fuel for the fire for third-party denialists who'll go "SEE?! THIRD PARTEH WILL NEVER WORK!". Then they'll go back to voting two parties who actively fuck everyone over, it's just one party fucks over a little less than the other.
Well then vote for your team
The impact he is discussing assumes that person voting 3p would automatically voting for his team. That's statistically speak at best half right.
No, its not like that at all.
It doesn’t matter who Meh and Oh no are for that voter. The results are the same.
If you have a Meh candidate, and Oh No candidate, and a Please Something Else candidate, and you vote for something else, its now easier for Oh No to get elected, because Meh has fewer votes.
I am no emotionally invested in either regime whore.
My position is to deny both engagement.
And I'm sure the Germans who "never supported the Nazi's" were proud of their acts of abstinence after the fact.
Its a terrible system with FPTP for sure, but doing anything that makes it easier for really bad guys to get in power is enablement, full stop.
Will the really bad guys care about a protest vote? No, they'll thank you.
Will the not so bad guys care about the protest vote if they get elected? Not really, they got elected while ignoring the voice of the people, so why change?
To fix the system you need to get the least worst option elected, and then get out and protest, and cause as much pain for the elected officials as possible to get anything changed. Means protesting at a level that is significantly impacting the economy.
Don't fuck around with a 'protest vote' that's going to do as much nothing as electing the Meh option.
Yes voting for 3p is the vote for "nazi" 🤡
and as a result you will get the Oh No regime
I have been suffering udner the two party regime all my life.
After this election, it will still be the two party regime 🤡
So do you consider the possibly of ending up with a one party regime to be a likely improvement?
Voting 3p will result in 1 party regime?
Please do tell...
The Republican Party has the will of the Supreme Court. That means they can rule for, or against constitutional changes unilaterally.
They have already ruled that the President is immune to the law if they are acting in 'official capacity', which they have left to themselves to decide if its official or not.
The presidential candidate has said he wants to go after the 'enemy within' directly referencing his political opponents.
He can go out and round up anyone with significant pull from the Democratic party, detail them illegally, (but now legal because its in an official capacity)
Anyone else who speaks out against the brutality will summarily be included in that.
How far off is that from where Putin has established himself, where elections are things they say the have, but is really just a form of performance art?
Two party system last the entire span of the US government. It aint going anywhere....
Thats the bad part, its always the teo party clown show.
I am done.
with that attitude..