But that's not the point I was even trying to make... The homicide rate in the UK was virtually unaffected for each weapons ban enacted. All that's happened is that murders that would have been conducted via gun, just happen in other ways now. Also keep in mind that nearly all of the "western" world has been on a downtrend at the same rate for a long while now on homicides/murder/violent crime.

UK still has shotguns, but no hand guns or semi automatic rifles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Legal_classification

You sure about that captain?

Pistols...

This law created a new market for "long-barrelled revolvers" and "long-barrelled pistols",

Rifles...

UK law does not provide a statutory definition for a "rifle".

I'm starting to think you might not even know the laws in your own country... Forget the USA...

There have been no mass killings on the scale of Dunblaine or Hungerford since banning those weapons.

Dunblaine
1996 - 15 injured 18 dead.

Hungerford
1987 - 15 injured 17 dead

Nothing since 1996 on that scale? You sure? Did you read anything? 2 June 2010
Cumbria, England 13 dead 11 injured.

Forget that the original firearms act of Britain was set in 1968. So it all happened while guns were banned... everything since then has been amendments to the act (1988, 1997 were amendments). There were also other legislation in 2006 (so before 2010 mass shooting), 2012, and 2019.

But please carry on with your denial Talk about denial... You're denying your own laws/history... Fuck me man... I can't help you.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well done, you've managed to find the three worst crimes of the last 50 years. About a week's worth of deaths in America. Do you think you're proving your point by highlighting how rare mass shootings are in the UK?

Can you join the dots now and see that when gun ownership is restricted there are far fewer shootings?

America's fucked, there's more guns than people, there's no way back, just thoughts and prayers and fear.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well done, you’ve managed to find the three worst crimes of the last 50 years.

Dude... are you capable of following a conversation? YOU posted the first 2... and said there's been nothing since then. I showed you one other that was after that is the same scale.

If you can't even follow your own conversation you truly are hopeless.

Can you join the dots now and see that when gun ownership is restricted there are far fewer shootings?

Doesn't matter. UK proved that you can't stop all gun related deaths. And even accounting for that UK overall homicide rate hasn't decreased any faster than any other "western" country INCLUDING the USA.

America’s fucked, there’s more guns than people, there’s no way back, just thoughts and prayers and fear.

No fear here. Just idiot who project it from overseas it seems.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter. UK proved that you can't stop all gun related deaths.

So it's all or nothing? 🤡

1/620

0.16%

Even accounting for population it's still blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain that guns = shooting

And the US knife killing rate is still higher than the US. Just a bit more murdery I suppose. But then us Europeans shipped all the religious nutters out to the US for a reason

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So it’s all or nothing? 🤡

Ah yes... cherry pick the statement.

And even accounting for that UK overall homicide rate hasn’t decreased any faster than any other “western” country INCLUDING the USA.

Literally followed right after. Clown harder.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

hasn’t decreased any faster than any other “western” country INCLUDING the USA.

Lol, the US homicide rate is 7x the UK. Explain that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Man, you're funny. Trying to twist 620% more shootings as what exactly?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol, the US homicide rate is 7x the UK. Explain that

Sure... Gangs and drug trafficking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population

Specifically from Central and South Americas. The SHEER number difference between the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS vs how many you got over there in the UK?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never been to Glasgow then?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Never been to Glasgow then?

Nope I haven't... Been all over Germany and Poland, also incidentally to Romania and Ireland in a very limited fashion. But I did eventually find an answer to my own question...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_Kingdom

In 2018 there were 4,629 criminal gangs and syndicates in Britain, employing 33,598 professional gangsters.

Which translates to about 5 per 10000 people are in a gang in Britain...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population

an estimated 1.4 million in 33,000 gangs in 2011.[1][2][3] About 900,000 gang members lived "within local communities across the country", and about 147,000 were in U.S. prisons or jails in 2009.[4]

Which translates to about... 42 per 10000 people are in a gang here in USA...

So a 5-6times increase in homicide lines up basically perfectly.

Edit: whoops used the wrong number initially... it's much higher...

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you think having more guns is the solution?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taking them away certainly isn't... Criminals don't care about laws... That's kind of the definition.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the American way, only do the right thing after you've exhausted every other option

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not tracking. You think that taking guns away will somehow make the 1.4 million people abstain from gang violence?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does the evidence say? I'd bet that taking guns away leads to less gun deaths.

It's weird that nobody banged on about gun rights until the black panthers did.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does the evidence say? I’d bet that taking guns away leads to less gun deaths.

Not shit sherlock. But taking guns away doesn't lower homicide rates. Odd that you can reduce gun deaths but not reduce deaths overall isn't it?... At this point we're talking in circles. I've covered this so many posts ago with you.

It’s weird that nobody banged on about gun rights until the black panthers did.

Not sure how this is even remotely relevant.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes... I know who and what the Black Panthers are and the history around it...

What's the point of bringing this up in this conversation? How is this relevant to ANYTHING we're discussing?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

We're talking about gun control