Nope I haven't... Been all over Germany and Poland, also incidentally to Romania and Ireland in a very limited fashion. But I did eventually find an answer to my own question...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_Kingdom

In 2018 there were 4,629 criminal gangs and syndicates in Britain, employing 33,598 professional gangsters.

Which translates to about 5 per 10000 people are in a gang in Britain...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population

an estimated 1.4 million in 33,000 gangs in 2011.[1][2][3] About 900,000 gang members lived "within local communities across the country", and about 147,000 were in U.S. prisons or jails in 2009.[4]

Which translates to about... 42 per 10000 people are in a gang here in USA...

So a 5-6times increase in homicide lines up basically perfectly.

Edit: whoops used the wrong number initially... it's much higher...

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So you think having more guns is the solution?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Taking them away certainly isn't... Criminals don't care about laws... That's kind of the definition.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's the American way, only do the right thing after you've exhausted every other option

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm not tracking. You think that taking guns away will somehow make the 1.4 million people abstain from gang violence?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What does the evidence say? I'd bet that taking guns away leads to less gun deaths.

It's weird that nobody banged on about gun rights until the black panthers did.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What does the evidence say? I’d bet that taking guns away leads to less gun deaths.

Not shit sherlock. But taking guns away doesn't lower homicide rates. Odd that you can reduce gun deaths but not reduce deaths overall isn't it?... At this point we're talking in circles. I've covered this so many posts ago with you.

It’s weird that nobody banged on about gun rights until the black panthers did.

Not sure how this is even remotely relevant.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes... I know who and what the Black Panthers are and the history around it...

What's the point of bringing this up in this conversation? How is this relevant to ANYTHING we're discussing?

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

We're talking about gun control