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[–] RQG@lemmy.world 162 points 1 year ago (7 children)

As an outsider it seems absolutely weird that the US as a country seems to have accepted people getting shot by other regular people daily as normal.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oprah Winfrey once said, everybody gets a gun, you get a gun, you get a gun, we all get a gun.

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[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Actual regular people haven't accepted it as normal. Fascists in our country continue to hamstring any efforts to fix the situation because they want the rest of us to keep being reminded that the fascists can and will murder us at will. Standard issue stochastic terrorism.

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[–] sadie_sorceress@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (21 children)

My kids' school recently had an active shooter drill like we used to do fire drills when I was a kid. They said they all had hiding spots to go to and they thought it was pretty scary. They're in elementary school. It's definitely not normal that instead of doing something about the guns we have to teach kids to hide from gunmen because that's just a legit possibility now.

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[–] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

As an American, I think the moment I said "which one" when asked if I had heard about the mass shooting in wherever it was I can't even remember now, that was when I realized how fucked our gun policies are.

[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (7 children)

What else is there to do but accept it? It isn't like our politicians have the will to do anything about it. Peaceful protest falls on deaf ears. The gun crazies would gladly die in a blaze of glory rather than be disarmed. The country is awash in guns and ammunition. So please do tell, oh wise outsider, what the hell a normal person is supposed to do about it?

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[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 101 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The guys was committed for two weeks and had threatened to shoot up a national guard base. They had the information to act on and take away his guns and they didn't because they didn't need to. This is even more fucked because it was probably avoidable.

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are no red flag laws in Maine. There was no legal way to take his guns even if they thought that was necessary. Also, the christofacist supreme court is set to strike down laws that prevent people convicted domestic violence from owning guns, which will chip away at the legality of red flag laws everywhere. Happy Thursday everyone!

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

If he was a reservist, I'm pretty sure his commander could've ordered him to surrender his weapons.

And the bar under the UCMJ to do deal with a suicidal/homicidal troop is way lower than what it is for a civilian.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Almost all mass shootings were avoidable if that government really cared about solving this problem

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This thing doesn't go past 0 very often

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Every iteration of gun control, with few exceptions, carves out exceptions for LEOs and Military. If you want this to stop a good start would be making these guys have to follow the laws the rest of us do, because if you campaign for more of the same from your lawmakers, I guarantee there will still be exceptions for the people who protect the rich.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Exceptions for active military can work because they are subject to the far more strict ucmj. Cops are a real problem though, they kill 1000 or so people every year with minimal consequence.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

1200 last year, that we know of. Cops self report their crimes. There is no law that requires them to report if they have committed a murder.

https://policeviolencereport.org/

[–] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not so fun fact cops were invented to prevent people like us from stealing crates in the harbor 200 years ago. They used to be just upper class people who patrolled the port. They didn't always exist, so it's just as possible for them to cease to exist. A society without goons in blue is possible. Cops protect the owners of the country. edit: Why can't we commoners set up our own force to protect us the regular people?

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What's unsurprising is how strictly gun control is implemented on US military bases and navy ships.

If you live in barracks on-base and own a personal gun, if often has to be stored in the base's firearm storage. The only people who can walk around armed are MPs or people on their way to/from authorized training. Even if you have a concealed carry permit for the state the base is in, you can't conceal carry in the base. If you're on your way to the base's firing range and stop to get gas at the base's gas station, you can't leave your gun in your car while you go into the convenience store at the gas station unless your car is locked in your trunk. Often even a paintball gun has to be stored in the base armory.

Keep in mind these aren't rules for random civilians. These are the rules for people who have already had to pass extensive firearms training courses.

It's pretty insane that random untrained civilians have far fewer restrictions on guns than members of the military on a military base.

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[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 71 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Fuck Reagan. He created this shithole of a situation and ruined this country. I'm happy he died of Alzheimers and simply pray he was terrified and miserable in the last moments of his life.

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[–] snowraven@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Is it me or the headline is worded strangely?

[–] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think it might be the word "named" instead of "identified." That and the two "as" ~~appositive phrases~~ prepositional phrases in a row.

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[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 year ago

It's only weird when you don't know anybody called "US army reservist" but it's a fairly common name around here

-US Coast Guard war criminal

[–] tilcica@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

yeah its very weird

"as the death toll reaches 22 people, the suspect was found out to be a US army reservist"

[–] Jilanico@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

They probably want to front load the headline with the most salient development, namely the identity of the shooter.

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Excerpt from the US version of the Prayer of the Lord: "... and give us today our daily ~~bread~~ mass shooting ..."

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmmm, so all of those "well regulated militia means the national guard, the only people who should have guns are the cops and the national guard because they're the only ones responsible enough" people are going to finally admit that cops and weekend warriors aren't actually all that special and the training they recieve doesn't make them good people it only makes them more effective should they decide to be bad people?

[–] charles@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (14 children)

People who say that actually want a complete and total ban on guns, but acknowledge the constitution says what it says and amendments are literally impossible in today's political climate.

Also, one could argue a "well regulated" militia wouldn't send guns home with its members. It could be kept at a central facility.

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Maybe you should differ between those people in active service and ex-soldiers with PTSD and mental issues that makes them hear voices...

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe they should differ. I think that anyone who hasn't proven themselves a danger to others should be able to own one, even people with PTSD which shouldn't be stigmatized simply because some people with it do violent things. Most people with PTSD do not.

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[–] Surp@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My Aunt and Uncle live there. I heard the news at around 11pm. Called her up to make sure they were ok. They are scared in there home with doors locked.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah I mean its Maine , its not that common those things happened over there. Thanks god your family is okay!

[–] nyoooom@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

But "facts don't care about your feelings" or something like that...

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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