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Inspired by the very similar thread about school incidents.

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[–] s3rvant@lemmy.ml 80 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Previous HR was well beyond retirement age essentially working to have something to do and one day emailed all of management a spreadsheet asking us to verify our information. That sheet contained each of our full names, addresses, phone numbers, birth dates, social security number, etc.

To my knowledge nothing of significance happened. I have my credit frozen.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 56 points 3 months ago

I worked for a company that handled a ton of personal data. Pretty much every person in Germany, including addresses, bank account details, etc.

On my first day there (fresh from university) I was given literally full read access to the entire database. And as I later found out by accident: they did not track any data exfiltration at all. I copied several gigabytes of data without anyone noticing.

Your data is only as secure as the least motivated data broker sees fit. And that's not very fit.

[–] Tujio@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A few years ago I asked a customer for a list of employees, so I could verify who could purchase on their account. They replied with their personnel files. Luckily it didn't have social security numbers, but it had a LOT of personal information. Medical records, drug test results, stuff like that.

[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The whole workplace drug testing thing is so wild to me. An employer can actually lay claim to your bodily fluids? Absolutely mental.

In the Netherlands, it’s very simple:

  • if there are performance problems, then you address your employee’s performance problems.
  • if there are no performance problems, then there is no problem and what your employee does in their free time is none of your business.
[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Even if you're forklift certified? Or other heavy equipment operator (crane, excavator, front loader, big truck)?

[–] rossome@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In the US, can each of these occupations get shitfaced the second they're off work?

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Alcohol, yes, but with marijuana, since the substance they test for stays in your system for a long time, no. Though the argument has always been that it's illegal and so more serious. And technically it's still illegal at the federal level, so o guess technically that's true, but the federal government doesn't often enforce it and in several states it's legalized. If it ever gets legalized at the federal level and they still do hair tests instead of blood tests, though, I don't see how they can justify that.

But in reality, pretty much the only people who get punished for marijuana use are either minorities or someone being targeted for something else they did and weed is just an easy excuse to fire them, put them in for-profit prisons, murder them legally, etc.

[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Umm, I don't know, probably. I'm just curious about jobs like that in another country

[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago

I don’t know, I guess so? Most drug tests are severely flawed, because many don’t test if someone is under the influence right now, they can test positive even when it’s longer ago and outside of worktime.

So in essence, you can get fired for being under influence at work, even though you’re not, because these tests are not good enough. And I think that’s nuts, aside from the massive invasion of privacy of giving an employer a claim to you bodily fluids.

Sure, you’re not supposed to use drugs. But is it your employer’s task to enforce the law? No, they’re not the police, and it’s none of their business what people do at home.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What are you suggesting? That they should run a urine test for magic mushrooms on every pilot before every flight? Obviously this was a very bad situation. But what scenario would have prevented this?

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That drug testing for machinery which can cause serious harm isn't such an out there concept.

[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Right, but the practicality? It would still be hard and expensive to catch every outlier case such as this one with drug testing.

[edit] I’ve looked it up and in the Netherlands, drug testing is only legal for some very specific professions where there is a risk of serious, large-scale harm such aa for instance pilots, like you mentioned. Other than that, it’s illegal because it’s medical information, and considered too invasive.