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Sorry if this is not the proper community for this question. Please let me know if I should post this question elsewhere.

So like, I'm not trying to be hyperbolic or jump on some conspiracy theory crap, but this seems like very troubling news to me. My entire life, I've been under the impression that no one is technically/officially above the law in the US, especially the president. I thought that was a hard consensus among Americans regardless of party. Now, SCOTUS just made the POTUS immune to criminal liability.

The president can personally violate any law without legal consequences. They also already have the ability to pardon anyone else for federal violations. The POTUS can literally threaten anyone now. They can assassinate anyone. They can order anyone to assassinate anyone, then pardon them. It may even grant complete immunity from state laws because if anyone tries to hold the POTUS accountable, then they can be assassinated too. This is some Putin-level dictator stuff.

I feel like this is unbelievable and acknowledge that I may be wayyy off. Am I misunderstanding something?? Do I need to calm down?

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s one more piece of Project 2025.

Trump is the side-show. Stop getting distracted by his fat orange ass. The disorganized, played more golf and gave more bad speeches than any President before him is just a side show. Most of the executive branch jobs that go with the administration each election were left empty in 2016.

Project 2025 is an organized, focused Trump term where the machinery runs for him. Where the mechanics of what to do have been thought out and planned for since 2020. Where he can sit on a gold toilet and truly let other people handle the day to day.

And just sign it all with presidential immunity.

So unless cardiovascular disease does it’s fucking job in the next 4 months (yeah, that’s right, the self imposed I don’t want to deal with it time warp you’re in let you forget that it’s just 4 months away), and bad COVID comes back and hits the SCOTUS hard, it’ll be SCOTUS 2.0 for the entire executive branch of the government come 2025. And like a SCOTUS vote, that 2:1 vote in our entire government will be in favor of authoritarian Christian nationalism. That’s what the the SCOTUS vote on immunity is. It’s not about Trump. It’s about authoritarianism going forward.

High odds on Project 2025 because I know you fuckers under 40 won’t be voting in the numbers boomers or GenX do. You’ll stock up on the steam summer sale, maybe get a Costco crate of cool ranch, tuck in, and try to pretend it’s not happening instead.

Yea, it sucks, but the vote is basically Kamala or Trump. No or yes on Project 2025. And if project 2025 goes in, America really is dead and shit is going to get violent.

Not sure another play through of Mass Effect Legendary or BG3 is going to be able to block that out this time.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Good time to remind people that a higher proportion of millennials and gen z voted in mid-term elections than baby boomers or baby boomer babies (gen x) did at equivalent ages.

Millennials voted in the last presidential election at a rate that represents the highest level of youth electoral participation since the voting age was lowered to 18. Gen Z seems poised to do something similar, as this will be the first presidential election where a majority of Gen Z will be old enough to vote.

Additionally, gen x is the only generational cohort that voted LESS in the last mid term elections than the one before it, i.e., participation in elections declined for that cohort. I guess they were too busy... idk, doing whatever gen x does instead of voting.

This whole post is just one long "the kids are the problem because of their phones and video games," but I'm pretty sure the most politically active youth generations in modern history aren't ruining democracy by playing video games.

Anyway. Basically what I'm saying is: ok boomer. Oh well, whatever, nevermind, right?

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

Lol, not a boomer.

All I hear is I can’t vote for this asshole because Israel. Or, I’m not doing this (Trump and Biden) again.

And games are everyone these days. From boomers to high schoolers. Granted, I think the number of boomers is likely less than all the rest. I’m sure Steam is doing a hefty sales level from GenX on down.

And there absolutely is a time warp of avoidance in general. Even the media has less energy for the election crap of late.

Oh, bonus, sentencing for trump is being delayed until after the election.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Millenials are old now. We're not "the youth", we're like mid-30s to early 40s.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Four years ago, when the last presidential election occurred, the millennial age range was 24-39. Beyond that, I'm comparing generational participation in elections at particular ages.

Further, not all of Gen Z will be of voting age for this election, so the youngest generational cohort where all members of that cohort are able to vote is still millennials, i.e., millennials are the youngest generation able to fully participate in elections.

I'm not saying millennials are all "young," I'm saying that in terms of electoral participation statistics, they're the youngest generation able to fully participate, and that compared to when Gen X and Boomers were going, Gen Z and Millennials participate (and have participated) at higher rates than the generations above them.

This is contrary to the subtext of the Boomer Lite (Gen X) poster to which I'm responding that implies younger generations are too busy distracting themselves with their phones and video games to participate in politics.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It seemed really obvious to me that he was talking about actual youth, ie Zoomers. But you started throwing a bunch of statistics about millenials.

Millenials are a politically active generation. The fear is that Zoomers are not. That was the point I got from his comment.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

As I said, Gen Z has, so far, participated in the elections they've been eligible for at higher rates than any previous generation since the age of voting was made 18, including millennials.

The youngest of Gen Z is currently about 12 years old, so they've had less elections to participate in with a smaller percentage of their generational cohort able to participate. Nevertheless, so far, a higher percentage of eligible Gen Z voters have voted in elections than Millennials, Boomers, and Boomers Lite.

The youngest generational cohort that are all above the voting age are millennials, which have also voted at higher rates than Boomers and Boomers Lite at similar ages.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nevertheless, so far, a higher percentage of eligible Gen Z voters have voted in elections than Millennials, Boomers, and Boomers Lite.

...compared to previous generations at that age.

Youth turnout is still abysmal, it's just less abysmal than previous generations.