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https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342

Dessalines AKA "parentis_shotgun" on Reddit, is the main Lemmy dev, also the admin of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml.

Their post and discussions on Reddit (archive as the original post must have been removed):

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What is a tankie?

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 67 points 5 months ago (27 children)

Are there people that don't know that Lemmy is developed by Marxists, and their instance is run by Marxists? Thought that was common knowledge, that's why Lemmy exists in the first place, it was developed along Communist principles.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 56 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you're new to Lemmy then it won't be common knowledge at all.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Could be, but again, Lemmy was made along Communist principles, it's safe to assume people interested in Communist principles are going to be here.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 25 points 5 months ago

But they may not know the history of it or why it was made before joining. I certainly didn't, it was more about a decentralised alternative to Reddit, I just joined and explored.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago

Perhaps the point is that those principles predate Communism by quite some time, and Communism added a lot of its own baggage on them.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 5 months ago

Because Lemmy is usually marketed as the Fediverse alternative to Reddit, not as a communist platform.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of people try Lemmy then promptly leave when they realize it's run by "Marxists" (i.e. people pretending to Marxists as a facade for spreading CCP propaganda).

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

it's run by "Marxists"

Lemmy isn't run by any one entity. Lemmy is essentially just the protocol that the Lemmyverse is built off of, which itself is an extension of ActivityPub.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

You're right, I knew better but still conflated the Lemmyverse and Lemmy.ml.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Great. now we have fediverse Stalin :D

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 21 points 5 months ago

The way comments and users are purged from ml would make Stalin proud!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you referring to me? Or Dessalines?

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's not quite correct, they are Marxists Leninists, who are the more Authoritarian and reactionary counterparts.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

All Marxist-Leninists are Marxists, not all Marxists are Marxist-Leninists.

It's accurate to describe them as Marxists still.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

technically accurate sure, but it implies that all marxists are tankies, which is absolutely not true.

what precisely would be the problem with referring to them by the specific term for what they are?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

What separates Marxists from Tankies? I've seen dozens of definitions of tankie.

It's important to recognize that Marxist-Leninists far, far outweigh the number of anti-Lenin Marxists. You don't have to agree with Lenin to acknowledge that at this point he is almost as relevant to Marxism in a geopolitical context as Marx himself.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but wasn't Marxism-Leninism developed by Stalin? You're agreeing with Stalin, not Lenin, aren't you? Partly with Lenin as well, sure, but you're forgetting Stalin here. Or is that a marketing thing?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Stalin used Lenin's ideas, because he was pretty much carrying them over. Stalin was merely the one to coin the term, not really the ideas behind it.

Lenin was a Marxist, he didn't consider himself a "Leninist." It's like how Jesus was Jewish, not Christian, though please don't take that metaphor any further, comparing Lenin to Jesus is not the intent.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

though please don't take that metaphor any further, comparing Lenin to Jesus is not the intent

Lmao

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

I can be funny from time to time, haha

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought Lenin used his interpretation of the communist manifesto to develop Leninism (even if he didn't call it that). Then Stalin "improved" on that and developed Marxism-Leninism and then Mao "improved" it further and made Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. They're all Marxism, but like... Super Saiyan 1,2,3 etc versions of them.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Kinda? Lenin's ideas aren't a morphing or changing of Marxism, and it certainly wasn't just the Manifesto, but Marx's actually important works. Lenin looked at Marxism, studied it, and applied Marxist analysis to his conditions in Tsarist Russia. Notably adding his analysis of Imperialism and Revolution.

Mao did the same thing, applied Marxism (and took inspiration from Lenin) with respect to China's conditions.

The reason why Marxism-Leninism is by far the most common is because we are still clearly in the age of Imperialism as described by Lenin, and his analysis is still valid. Rejecting Lenin is very unusual for Marxists, because Lenin basically applied Marxism to the contemporary era where Revolution has been delayed due to super-exploitation of the third world in exchange for super-profits.

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[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Kind of but not really. They're state capitalists.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How so? Where along Lenin's analysis of Marxism does there become a jump away?

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Uh the fact that the workers didn't own the means of production but the state did. Spare me all the philosophical pretzels about how the state WAS the people haha.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Since when does Marx say that a Worker-State isn't Socialist? You may wish to revisit Critique of the Gotha Programme. No need to read Lenin there! Marx was no anarchist.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not an anarchist. But pretty sure "Capitalism but the booj is the government". Isn't Communism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

That was Nazi Germany, not the USSR.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago

Exactly. They're the left sect of fascism, and have "purged" communists in the past

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