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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Good news! Apparently a lot of excitingly new young progressives are mad we haven’t rolled it back up high enough and are refusing to help!

Wait. Okay, not good news. Sorry.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because they're not rolling it up fast enough! Can't you see? They just have to roll it faster and preferably all the way and then I'll get excited and help. Yup. Until then I'll be adding ankle weights to you too. And don't forget it's all your fault too.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It is our fault that we aren't organized enough. Empowering other progressives enough. If your happy with Biden you've given up.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If your happy with Biden you've given up.

Given that either Biden or Trump will be the president after the next election, voting for the obviously less harmful one is still a positive move.

Not voting only gives the votes of Trump's insane clown cult more power.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Chips act, green energy, union empowerment, student debt, marijuana reform, etc etc etc. Anyone that says Biden isn't doing anything is wilfully ignorant.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're doing exactly what the parent comments described. All you're doing is crying when the ball is rolled as much as it can be while you're (likely) kneecapping him because he doesn't have a majority in the house.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why Trump's "dictator on day one" comment isn't taken with the seriousness it needs to be.

People already think presidents are dictators.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Couldn't agree more. There's a huge misunderstanding that the President is the most important facet of government, but the Executive has remarkably little ability to influence the law aside from directing the various agencies on how they should operate and utilizing the power of veto to check the legislative.

Trump won't be a dictator on day one because that's not how the office of President works. He will be, though, if Project 2025 is allowed to be implemented and they get rid of all the barriers to him having unilateral unchecked authority. This is also predicated on the possibility that he will not be held accountable by the courts and the Supreme Court rules that he can commit crimes and label them as "official acts".

The big misunderstanding is that people think Trump alone can fulfill all of his campaign promises and Biden simply won't, when the reality is that Biden can't do it alone and neither can Trump (yet).

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Marijuana is still illegal federally. Schedule 3 is not legalization.

Forgiving student debt is not reform. A kid going to college today will still need to take on a ridiculous debt load and play the job/forgiveness lottery.

Biden very publicly told Unions where to stick it.

The green event stuff he funded is great but it's not novel and he used it as a cover to protect the Big 3 Auto manufacturers from foreign EVs.

The CHIPs act is actually okay. 1 out of 5 things but being performative is good though right? That's the standard?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

See?! They're not rolling the ball back up fast enough!!

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

More like he put the chock block in place to stop the roll and let the rich continue to fuck us before stepping side for the next Republican. I'm convinced he's actively trying to lose this election between TikTok, EV restrictions, Gaza, and gaslighting people on the economy.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

You're crying that it's not legal yet. Let's forget that he asked dea to look at rescheduling it and that he forgave federal possession convictions.

You're crying he only did what he could and forgave debt and hasn't gotten around to a Herculean overhaul of the entire post secondary system.

You didn't see the follow-up with unions. I'd give the Beau of the fifth column video but they're impossible to find.

You're crying not novel enough, WTF. And you're forgetting the green energy generation in the IRA.

You're crying chips being only decent?

That was the easy stuff off the top of my head, and it's just crying that nothing is ever good enough. Crying that it's not fast enough. Nevermind that you're (likely) kneecapping him with no majority in the house.

You're exactly the character described in the top comments.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was the DEA looking at it. It went from schedule 1 to schedule 3. Which is a year in prison and a fine for possession.

I'm not against him doing harm reduction, but call it what it is. Don't forgive debt and sell it as a reform. Winning the presidential lottery is not a reform.

The follow up? Where railroad workers are still under manned and required to work sick? Oh I'm sorry we got some real reforms for the IT guys in railroading. But the guys on the tracks, who were getting abused before are still getting abused in the exact same ways.

Green energy generation is solved. It's already cheaper to build, maintain, and use than fossil fuels. Many states already routinely hit 100% renewable energy on their grid. So much so that the business crowd is trying to get home solar financial benefits reduced because the market is saturated.

This isn't "nothing is good enough" it's stop doing merely performative shit and blowing smoke up my ass. I gave him credit for CHIPs, but the IRA was just a corporate grift wrapped in green paper.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Yes, that was the DEA being told by Biden to look at it. And you're forgetting that he forgave federal possessions.

You're back to crying about "only" forgiving some debt. And you're back to crying about not doing a Herculean task of completely overhauling post secondary in 2 years. Who's selling it as reform? Nobody. You're making shit up just to cry about now.

The rail union got to negotiate. Whatever they got, they negotiate for themselves. You're crying again that Biden didn't do _______. It's not even his place to negotiate or dictate what happens, but you're crying about it.

Green energy generation still needed (needs?) a boot in the ass, which is exactly what IRA did. But you can't cry about this one, so no credit to Biden! Oh wait there's the crying about IRA. Seriously?

All you're doing is crying about things not happening at warp speed. And then ignoring the things that do happen. You are exactly what the top comment are about.

What this comes down to: If you don't vote, then you can't complain or cry. Do you vote? Good. But I'll say that your crying is largely inaccurate. Do you not vote? Then it's bizarre and pathetic that you are crying while you are the one that is actively kneecapping progress.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This is nonsense. If you believe that you should skip to violent revolution because you are not getting anywhere peacefully.

I'm (edit:not) saying I think that's a good idea. But if you are going to refuse to vote for the better guy because he's not good ENOUGH then you were never going to vote at all, and the rest of us will go back to persuading the last 3 swing voters.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Skip to violent revolution? Wtf m8. I'm telling you to do better not revolt.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I left out a critical word. Edited comment above.

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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody is happy with Biden. Do you want to continue pushing the boulder up the mountain at the pace we don't like, or let go and see what happens to the town downhill?

[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm happy with Biden. Like, very happy. Biden's awesome.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't blame people for giving up on a Sisyphean task

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's like you're stuck in the water with a riptide pushing you away from shore. A really strong swimmer would just swim against it, but you're not, so you swim parallel to shore because then later you can swim back in. At least it's not pushing you further out.

Nope.

Just decide to quit and drown. This is what the young "I'll show you by not participating" crowd sounds like to me.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

They just don’t recognize that they’ll be crushed first when it rolls back. Maturity is learning not to commit all of your attention to the top of the mountain, but to always be mindful of the boulder.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. Just vote and don't expect to get to the top. We're never getting there. We just vote and vote and vote and then eventually we die, pushing the same boulder the entire time.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s far from ideal, but the problem is that we let it roll back every 4-8 years. If Democrats consistently won due to progressive policies, the candidates would inevitably become more progressive to capture more of the constituency. Disengagement and disenfranchisement consistently cause the boulder to fall, leading to the lack of overall progress.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And because that doesn't happen, I just have to assume that Americans aren't nearly as progressive as everybody on the Internet thinks they are.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t underestimate the efficacy of voter disenfranchisement and disengagement. Republicans don’t need to prop up Trump. People who loath him will vote for him simply due to party loyalty. Discrediting Biden is all it takes for a win.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So everybody has to vote for someone they hate otherwise the other guy they hate will be in power.

Great democracy everybody. Glad the wrong lizard didn't win.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not defending the system. I’m suggesting we use it until we have a better option.

Whether you realize it or not, comments like that drive disengagement. It imparts hopelessness, which leads some to apathy.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which makes sense because I'm definitely hopeless

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That’s fair. Try not to advocate hopelessness. It just hurts others.

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