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[–] DuncanTDP@sh.itjust.works 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You didn't ask the same question both times. In order to be definitive and conclusive you would have needed ask both the questions with the exact same wording. In the first prompt you ask about a number of deaths after a specific date in a country. Gaza is a place, not the name of a conflict. In the second prompt you simply asked if there had been any deaths in the start of the conflict; Giving the name of the conflict this time. I am not defending the AI's response here I am just pointing out what I see as some important context.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Gaza is a place, not the name of a conflict

That's not an accident. The major media organs have decided that the war on the Palestinians is "Israel - Hamas War", while the war on Ukrainians is the "Russia - Ukraine War". Why would you buy into the Israeli narrative in the first convention and not call the second the "Russia - Azov Battalion War" in the second?

I am not defending the AI’s response here

It is very reasonable to conclude that the AI is not to blame here. Its working from a heavily biased set of western news media as a data set, so of course its going to produce a bunch of IDF-approved responses.

Garbage in. Garbage out.

[–] bier@feddit.nl 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The 2 things are not the same

Russia a country invaded Ukraine a country.

Israel a country was attacked by Hamas a terrorist group and in response invaded Palestine a country.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Way to put the cart before the horse! The origin of the current war in the mideast is the creation of Israel after the second world war. You can't deny the role of the original land theft in discussing the situation, though i'm sure you weren't trying to.

Imagine the King of England (now that we have one of those again) declaring Texas to be entirely the territory of Native Americans. What would white people do? And yet we act like the palestinians are unreasonable. Like, get fucked. It has nothing to do with racism of any sort and everything to do with all humans being pretty much worthless cunts. (Present company excepted of course. ;) )

[–] bier@feddit.nl 1 points 8 months ago

That's a valid point, but it's not like the Jews never lived there, go far back enough and it's a very different situation. That is what makes this entire conflict so difficult.

That is why I think it's good to just look at current events.

[–] declination@programming.dev 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because Ukraine has a single unified government excepting the occupied Donbas?

Calling it the Israel-Palestine war would be misleading because Israel hasn’t invaded the West Bank which has a separate/unrelated Palestine government.

To analogize oppositely, it would be real weird if China invaded Taiwan and people started calling it the Chinese civil war.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Ukraine has a single unified government

Ukraine had been in a state of civil war since 2014. That's half the reason for the conflict. Donetsk separatists were governing the region adverse to the Ukrainian Feds for nearly a decade.

Calling it the Israel-Palestine war would be misleading because Israel hasn’t invaded the West Bank

Since Oct 7th, there have been repeated artillery bombardments of the West Bank by the IDF.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68006126

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/israels-secret-air-war-gaza-west-bank-rcna126096

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/12/israeli-forces-launch-deadly-west-bank-raids-continue-pounding-gaza

To analogize oppositely, it would be real weird if China invaded Taiwan and people started calling it the Chinese civil war.

Given their history, it would be more accurate to call it The Second Chinese Civil War.