spaduf

joined 1 year ago
[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

I think the big question here is still where we land. It could easily be somewhere in the 20-30k range.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

!trendingcommunities@feddit.nl for folks who want to go straight there.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Love this idea. I think we should also make sure that we are keeping broader fediverse compatibility in mind. Particularly kbin and mastodon.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some interest specific instances that I haven't seen here so far:
slrpnk.net
fanaticus.social
mander.xyz

There's also a brand new currently unfederated instance for legal professionals at links.esq.social

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago

The way I see it there are 2 paths forward for Lemmy. Without at least one of these scenarios occuring it seems unlikely that we'll get back to a level of natural growth.

  1. Reddit starts fucking up again. If this happens it'll probably be because of or sometime around the IPO so be on the lookout for that.
  2. We start getting significant user growth from other fediverse platforms, likely Mastodon. These users already understand how federation works and are actively looking for a lot of the features that Lemmy has to offer on their existing platforms. I think the way to get there is primarily through topic dedicated instances springing up as professional groups find Mastodon does not truly fit their needs. One recent example of this is links.esq.social which is a brand new currently unfederated instance for lawyers and legal professionals.
[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These things absolutely can be fixed in an update but I think we both know the devs have no intention of going in that direction.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

We do need to continue growing at a natural but sustained rate. 50-60k is not a healthy place to stop and there's still a lot of low hanging fruit development-wise.

 

Dansup's post: https://tech.lgbt/@dansup@pixelfed.social/110997255323820201

What I'm seeing on desktop:

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What was your old username? Would be helpful to look you up in the modlogs

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Last I heard Lemmy devs are explicitly against this. Mastodon users can still make top level posts over here but I don't think that's what you had in mind.

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

All good. If I had any artistic talent myself I would have put something else together but alas. If anybody's got something cute and free hit me up!

 

This is shameless self-promotion, but part of a working theory I have that Mastodon users have more to offer Lemmy than your average Reddit user. See my other post about it here: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2174573

TLDR: Mastodon users are inherently active posters and already understand federation. Also there are MILLIONS of them.

Please consider following if you'd like to get more Lemmy in your Mastodon feed or more Mastodon users in your Lemmy feed!

 

This is shameless self-promotion, but part of a working theory I have that Mastodon users have more to offer Lemmy than your average Reddit user. See my other post about it here: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2174573

TLDR: Mastodon users are inherently active posters and already understand federation. Also there are MILLIONS of them.

Please consider following if you'd like to get more Lemmy in your Mastodon feed or more Mastodon users in your Lemmy feed!

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an example. This is the sort of post I'm talking about: https://tech.lgbt/@spaduf/110941439731236455

@bookstodon Not sure if this is anybody's cup of tea but there's a new Lemmy instance dedicated to books and writing over at: https://literature.cafe

The best part is you can participate from your existing fediverse account. Communities on Lemmy can be followed like users and have similar functionality to a.gup.pe groups!

Try following @fiction as an example but remember that federation doesn't backfill.

More communities can be found here: https://literature.cafe/communities

Already sitting at about 8 boosts and several favorites from some folks with a fairly large follower count. That means potentially thousands of eyes. I went ahead and put together a dedicated user as I think that may be more appropriate than spam posting Lemmy communities/instances on my personal account. Not sure when I'll have time to flesh it out and make it active but I've already got a list of communities/instances and what groups I think would be interested in them. Find it here:
https://mastodon.social/@lemmy_for_mastodon

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

That's why I'm specifically suggesting we try to get them on the specialized instances. Where culture and moderation policies are least similar from Reddit. Somebody else pointed this out in the other thread and I do absolutely think if we don't point them to a specialized instances then beehaw is the place to go.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2173435

Reinvestment

Regardless of where the loss in users is coming from the major takeaway here is that we are firmly in a reinvestment phase. This will likely last until Reddit does something stupid related to the IPO but in the absence of that we will probably not see a significant uptick in growth again without major improvements to the threadiverse as a whole. That means that those of us who are personally invested in the growth of the threadiverse should be taking this time to develop the tools and features necessary to weather the next wave more gracefully than the last.

Niche Community Growth

One of the biggest issue I see here is still community growth. Growing certain communities is significantly harder than others and if you don’t have a lot of crossposting potential it can be damn near impossible. As it stands, I do not see a way to fix this situation without a hot and active ranking system that takes into account the number of users active in the particular community. As part of a change like this I think we would be best served by consolidating a significant portion of the small dead communities. I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics. As it stands only a handful of them have enough broader threadiverse activity to be truly useful.

Recruiting From Mastodon

At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.


TLDR

TL;DR: What I’d like to particularly emphasize here is the focus on Mastodon user recruitment. They are far more likely to both improve the quality of discourse here and contribute to community building than your average reddit user. Not to mention they can already be active from their existing accounts. The barrier for entry is nil. I think a valid strat to go about this is to advertise existing specialized instances to their existing equivalent communities on the microblogging fediverse. This solves both the problems of growing the specialized instances from 0 and making their discourse substantially different enough to warrant specialized instances in the first place. Things like:

  • #bookstodon to literature.cafe
  • #monsterdon to lemmy.film
  • #climateemergency to slrpnk.net
  • #histodon to some equivalent of ask historians (This is probably the only way we’d get the experts needed)
  • Any of the many art tags to lemmyloves.art
 

Reinvestment

Regardless of where the loss in users is coming from the major takeaway here is that we are firmly in a reinvestment phase. This will likely last until Reddit does something stupid related to the IPO but in the absence of that we will probably not see a significant uptick in growth again without major improvements to the threadiverse as a whole. That means that those of us who are personally invested in the growth of the threadiverse should be taking this time to develop the tools and features necessary to weather the next wave more gracefully than the last.

Niche Community Growth

One of the biggest issue I see here is still community growth. Growing certain communities is significantly harder than others and if you don’t have a lot of crossposting potential it can be damn near impossible. As it stands, I do not see a way to fix this situation without a hot and active ranking system that takes into account the number of users active in the particular community. As part of a change like this I think we would be best served by consolidating a significant portion of the small dead communities. I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics. As it stands only a handful of them have enough broader threadiverse activity to be truly useful.

Recruiting From Mastodon

At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.


TLDR

TL;DR: What I’d like to particularly emphasize here is the focus on Mastodon user recruitment. They are far more likely to both improve the quality of discourse here and contribute to community building than your average reddit user. Not to mention they can already be active from their existing accounts. The barrier for entry is nil. I think a valid strat to go about this is to advertise existing specialized instances to their existing equivalent communities on the microblogging fediverse. This solves both the problems of growing the specialized instances from 0 and making their discourse substantially different enough to warrant specialized instances in the first place. Things like:

  • #bookstodon to literature.cafe
  • #monsterdon to lemmy.film
  • #climateemergency to slrpnk.net
  • #histodon to some equivalent of ask historians (This is probably the only way we’d get the experts needed)
  • Any of the many art tags to lemmyloves.art
 
 

https://lemmy.ca/c/mensliberation

!mensliberation@lemmy.ca

Men's Liberation

NOTE: This is not a misogynistic community a la MRA

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
 

Something akin to /r/twoxchromosomes.

EDIT: Some of the communities mentioned in the comments

!women@lemmy.world

!feminism@beehaw.org

!twoxchromosomes@slrpnk.net

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