mushroommunk

Yeah, my wildest dreams are a bit more Expedition 33 or Chants of Sennaar.

I hate to be the one to let you know if you didn't but kbin is dead. It hasn't had any new code in 2 years and the main instances aren't running. There's probably issues all over with it and will only get worse

Codeberg was running Anubis. Apparently several bots have started just solving Anubis and scraping away again.

I learned a while back that arguing with someone is less about convincing that specific person, and more about convincing the bystanders who read/hear the argument.

It's actually made it less frustrating for me to engage with people online. The person I'm taking to I know will never change their mind, but someone else might that I don't know about.

A lot of the forums I'm seeing talked about where more technical or objective kinds. Like in a car forum there'd be repair manuals or parts lists, fountain pen forums would have loads of images comparing inks side by side for different shades and hues. Those are the sorts of knowledge centers being discussed and reminisced about a lot here.

That's currently being argued in the courts. There's a lot that goes into it from right to distribution, to proving that although the AI bot can't reproduce everything even though it normally doesn't. [https://arstechnica.com/features/2025/06/study-metas-llama-3-1-can-recall-42-percent-of-the-first-harry-potter-book/](A very real example of reproducibility)

There's also arguments about how they accessed large amounts of content. The law doesn't just recognize whether you can access something or not, but what you access it for. There's laws about accessing things with the sole purpose of using it to develop a commercial product. All of it is a tangled mess that there's no current clear answer to (legally, morally I think there is but that's very opinionated)

I think there's a lot of solid arguments against letting AI steal everything, but with the scraping there's an even more immediate problem. They don't rate limit or do it in an intelligent method. It becomes a full blown ddos that has take down entire sites and slowed many more to the point of near uselessness.

They're in a very literal sense crashing large chunks of the Internet and causing havoc which costs very real money to fix, either by upping server resources or installing AI scraping mitigation resources so that every still has access to the free information you mention.

Doesn't really solve the AI scraping or the silo problem and as Codeberg found out recently, solving the AI scraping DDOS is never ending

If platforming universal healthcare and economic change is conservative then sign me the duck up as a staunch conservative. People are attacking him for having a business but that doesn't make him the enemy. Plenty of good solid people have a business and pump the money back into their employees and community. It's the billionaires, the ultra wealthy who think they can play god that are the problem.

I swear, "progressives" can be the most backwards people and their own worst enemy all in the name of ideological purity.

Honestly this. Their cpus melting down over the past couple years and their refusal to even acknowledge it hurt their image more than any potential backdoor could.

There were plenty of old collaborative and encouraging spaces even from the very early days. The message boards and forums were full of helpful and supportive people wanting to relax and just talk about their interests.