Tinidril

And I think your just a Republican stirring up shit because you spend all your time attacking the very few Democrats who actually acknowledge the genocide.

I have never once even "supported" AOC in this discussion. Pointing out that she isn't a genocide apologist isn't support, it's just reality.

I do personally support her because (among other things) she is better than any Republican or Democrat likely to replace her. If you have a better candidate then I say "great!". Run them against Pelosi, Schumer, or any one of hundreds of Democrats that are worse on this and a myriad of other issues.

That's the difference between you and I. You want to aura farm off of tragedy while I want to do something productive to end it. If you actually have a shit, you wouldn't be wasting your time attacking the Democrats closest to your position. Replace AOC with your perfect candidate and you will have achieved absolutely nothing.

If U.S. does that and even if other countries starts arming them, U.S. will at least have a moral high ground.

Fuck me. I knew that telling you that I don't want any aid for Israel wouldn't stop you from trying to convince me. Why the fuck don't I pay attention to what my brain is telling me?

There is no evidence any of these countries will give Israel weapons btw.

That was a "for instance". The point was that any position in foreign policy is going to have more than one impact. I wasn't making a full argument, and why would I when I already agree with you?

If there is an arms embargo, Israeli economy tanks since much of it is propped up on the U.S. being the backstop.

Once maybe. The fact is that the US and Israeli arms industries have commingled and each relies on the other for different expertise. A full arms embargo would certainly lead to at least the risk of Israel trading arms secrets for access to weapons made elsewhere. Israel is not a passive purchaser of weapons or intelligence technology.

Trump, who by the way, has supported the genocide being hyper exacerbated

Dead is dead. There is no exacerbated. Harris clutching her pearls instead of planning a resort would make absolutely zero difference.

You are 100% right, and 100% useless. I'll bet you were one of those morons who thought they were helping Harris win by scolding voters who were angry about genocide. Brilliant politics there, berate voters until you get your way.

AOC has rejected all AIPAC money. Of course they could run dark money ads for her anyways but, if you think that's likely to happen, you are delusional.

still approved the sale of weapons to a genocidal regime

Every foreign policy decision has ramifications that go far beyond the immediate. Israel isn't going to not have a missile defense shield so, if they don't get it from us, they will get it from someone else. Maybe Russia, China, or Europe. How does that shake out on the world stage?

Just to clarify again because I'm sure it's necessary, I do not approve of sending any aid to Israel. I just don't think that disagreeing with me automatically makes someone a genocide apologist. The world isn't that simple.

progressives, lefties, liberals and general non-nazis

Remarkably, the current Democratic establishment is none of these things.

I'll take anything to get rid of Trump.

Why? Aside from personally being an absolute bag of shit, Trump is not remotely the worst part of the Trump presidency. Trump isn't competent enough to do most of the harm.being done. He's just a spokesman or a puppet.

If we elect the wrong Democrat, in four more years we'll be in even worse shape. That's what happened when we nominated Biden. I called it the second he won the nomination. We would have been better off if Trump won in 2020. Biden was not up to the moment, and Newsom is not up to this moment. If he gets the nomination, America will not survive. Of course, we may not survive anyways - so maybe this conversation is moot.

No you didn't. You said "lol..." not "lol...." The former implies something will follow as the sentence is not complete. I was inquiring as to what (presumably) clever thought you omitted.

I agree that the distinction between defensive and offensive aid is little more than a rhetorical trick, but that's a long ways from being a "genocide apologist". To my knowledge, she does not deny that Israel is committing a genocide, and she does not pretend that it's justified. I think it's fair to call Biden a genocide apologist because he actively participated in obfuscating the reality of what was happening and attacking critics.

Foreign policy is complicated, and there is room for someone to think pragmatically that cutting off "defensive aid" will make things worse instead of better. I disagree with that someone, but I'd much rather have them as opposition than someone who is principally in favor of a Genocide.

... what?

No, they couldn't. Bernie knew that. There are too many loyal Democratic voters. It would just hand the election to the Republican.

Do you even realize that Hillary and Harris have similarities that aren't tits? What voters don't want is another corporate sellout.