Schmetterchen

joined 9 months ago
[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago

"The last bribes have been paid" lol

[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de -2 points 9 months ago

Yes true in the case of this pamphlet. But my argument isn't about this propaganda pamphlet alone - the greens are heavily involved in supporting Israel and aiding the genocide in Gaza since the foreign minister is from the green party (Annalena Baerbock). If she didn't want to be guilty of aiding in genocide she should have resigned under protest.

And to be clear: I do want to see them thrown in jail for this. Even though I know that will never happen.

[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Federal government currently is a coalition of 3 parties social democrats, greens and libertarians.

[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Not sure how to argue this better. But how do you interpret these phrases? Like what are they supposed to mean otherwise?

Israel-oriented Antisemitism

Prejudice against the Jewish state

And why is it distributed now? As a seeming response to condemnation of apparent genocide, even just changing the subject is a form of propaganda. Are we supposed to learn and debate history while a people is exterminated?

And what does all that or the rest have to do with criticism against the policies and war crimes of the Government of Israel? None of Israel's history precludes a fascist government taking over Israel.

[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de 41 points 9 months ago (4 children)

This is the first time in my life I feel ashamed being a German.

The blind support for Israel by the current government and making Germany complicit in a genocide again - it is beyond disgusting. I will never vote for the social democrats or greens again. I will NEVER forgive them this. Luckily in Germany there are other parties waste your vote on.

Of course other western nations under the directive of the US and Israel are complicit in this genocide as well. And I imagine they are pushing fascist propaganda like that leaflet too in various forms. You should be furious at your governments as well.

We learn about fascism and the horrors of nazi Germany in school, but of course, almost all western former colonial powers have committed horrible crimes against humanity and genocide. We Germans should know better that fascist systems amplifying the worst of human nature are NOT uniquely German but that all nations are susceptible to this. Including Israel of course.

I have to confess I missed too exactly how bad the fascist ideology has gotten within Israel. But it's happening everywhere, US, South America, India has gotten pretty bad, Russia of course, Europe is pushing somewhat back... it is impossible to follow it all and not want to turn off. And there is a massive media bias in the German mainstream press. They report the facts about Israel but frame and explain them so that you emotionally root for Israel.

There have been massive protests against the fascist AfD and the misinformation and conspiracy theories they further. And we all slap each other on the back while at the same time the main German news media are spreading these fake and misleading narratives.

And of course the reason US/EU supports Israel is because they are our allies, our pitbull in the middle east, keeping the whole region unstable and under control. The repercussions for "loosing Israel" would be high.

I fear things are only going to get worse in the future as material conditions deteriorate, and climate change creates a billion refugees over the next hundred years. Fascism, wars, genocide and megadeaths will become the new norm.

[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

The very first paragraphs conflates "Israel-oriented Antisemitism" (?), goes on with "Prejudice against the Jewish state" (defining Israel as a jewish Ethnostate / Nationalism and conflating criticism against a regime or ideology with racist prejudice) and then mentions "colonial rule, apartheid state and occupation" as examples of this antisemitism manifesting itself on the street, media, politics, academia.

Whatever else comes after, it's being framed with that. That is how the propaganda works, say a bunch of conflating nonsense and then justify it with non-sequitur historical facts - which might well be true in order to "validate" the initial point they are making:

Any criticism of Israel's fascist regime is antisemitism. If that intro isn't about antisemitism understood as outlined, what else would it be about?

That leaflet is very well crafted fascist apologia / propaganda. No matter how many other points they are making that might be accurate or informative (not that you should trust them either after that intro).

[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

I found it very shocking how "in sync" the German news media is. I don't quite understand what the mechanism here is (compared to US where it's much more clear how it works).

It is especially hypocritical because of the outrage against the AfD and demonstrations about lies and fascist propaganda that is used on social media, but then clearly we can see they've been lying and manipulating us for decades. How can they be surprised that angry people are don't believe the "official version" any more? This is one of the symptoms that is feeding the rise of fascism in Germany - and in all western democracies.

[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

This sounds like it needs special programming and training to do so. So presumably German specialists would need to program and fire it at specific targets. Maybe that is where the hesitation by Scholz comes from, because then it wouldn't just be a proxy war, but Germans would again be launching weapons into Russia.

[–] Schmetterchen@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

The deal with Ukraine was that they agreed to give away their nuclear weapons in exchange for guarantees to its territorial integrity. Russia went back on that promise

Ukraine and Russia had an agreement and Russia leased Sevastopol from them. Then after the Euromaiden protests / ouster of the Russia friendly regime they wanted to join Nato. So they'd either lose Sevastopol, their Fleet HQ for Russia in the Black Sea, or have it surrounded by Nato weapons. What use is a naval HQ if it's surrounded by the enemy?

Here is a pretty good article why this war started: https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea

And no, I don't like Putin at all or make any excuses for Russia, but the invasion wasn't quite willy nilly or makes him Hitler.