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‘Putin will spark a third world war if Russia claims victory in Ukraine’: Ukrainian steel magnate Yuriy Ryzhenkov warns of global fallout from the Kremlin’s war (www.telegraph.co.uk)

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Vladimir Putin will spark a third world war if the Russian president is allowed to declare victory in Ukraine, according to the boss of the country’s biggest private employer.

Yuriy Ryzhenkov, chief executive of Metinvest, which ran the sprawling Azovstal steelworks that became the site of a relentless Russian assault at the start of the 2022 invasion, warned of the consequences of a Kremlin victory.

“I don’t believe that if Ukraine fails, Putin will stop,” he said in an interview ahead of the two year anniversary of the war in Ukraine. “The Baltic states, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia are the next targets.”

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They already have Hungary

[–] illi@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

Slovakia is also falling to Russian stooges nd disinformation. It looks to me like if they'd invade about half the people (current government included) woud welcome them (at least at first)

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People arguing for russia at this point are russian trolls. Just like it is impossible tonchange a russian trolls mind it is impossible tonchange mine on this. What else does Putin have to do? Send nukes? Probably still a reasonable man in those trolls eyes.

[+] Thief_of_Crows@lemmy.ml -8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The best way to tell that someone thinks you're actually right is when they break out the "everybody else is a bot" argument. It's massively cringe at this point, cause you're intentionally believing something absurd rather than face valid criticism.

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So are you are you a russian troll because i did not at any point mention bots but actual human beings paid by russia?

[–] Thief_of_Crows@lemmy.ml -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh, of course, that sure is a meaningful difference. My mistake though, please re-read my comment but replace the word bot with troll.

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It still is nktnright but if it helps you feel to be in the right (spoiler alert, everybody does) there is not much i can do. Many people, me included, are tired of discussing the same moot points over and over. That russia pays shills to spread their bullshit "arguments" that try to defend this hideous unjustified war is prooven but i guess then you would want me to not believe the "propaganda" from the west but instead the "news" out of russia. Do you see the issue?

[–] Thief_of_Crows@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

I see what you're saying, but it's still a lie to claim most people who support Russia online are shills. The number of people who call me a shill, on a wide variety of topics, has shown me that it's an argument only used by idiots and the intellectually dishonest. Literally every topic where the American position is wrong, people call you a shill for disagreeing with America. To be clear, both America and Russia are bad countries, and the question of which is worse is pretty close. So suggesting that someone is a shill simply because they think that in one particular area, America is worse than Russia, is intellectually dishonest. Like, right now America is clearly worse, because of the genocide. 2 years ago Russia was clearly worse, because of Ukraine. The war certainly isn't good, but it's not as bad or as unjustifiable as people say.

You should not believe western corporate media, and even moreso western media about russia, unless it's independent. I'm sure Russian media is as bad as American media, I just never see it due to not speaking Russian. The opposite of propaganda is not different propaganda.

[–] Obonga@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

By the way i do not believe putin is about to start ww3. Thats something you probably assumed.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He does not have to wait for victory in Ukraine. All he has to do if spark tensions and commit to taking some insignificant piece of a NATO country.

A place that is not important enough to throw nukes over.

And then see if NATO dares to respond.

The politicians will then debate if this is really good enough reason to go to war... Causing a fracture to be visible in the NATO all for one doctrine.

Once that is proven false.. NATO will start to crumble.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Mf is a raptor at the electric fence. First Georgia.. then Crimea. Dude.. I remember feeling like I was in another world. Obama just watched and did nothing and the world went on, and I'm sitting there thinking, this is fucking precedent forever and it will continue. This headline is outdated by over 15 years.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Putin can actually claim whatever he wants and does so regularly. No one actually cares. And no claim or "being allowed to claim something" will actually change reality.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 9 points 9 months ago

I think he meant "declare" as in actually win the war, not in the Michael Scott sense.

[–] force@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, if he took over Kazakhstan tomorrow the US would leave it at writing a strongly worded letter...

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Didn't already claim that "all goals are met"?

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People care.

It's just that the people who care are mostly non-Russian, and even the Russians who do care and realise they have aa psychopathic neo-Hitler as a leader have little to no recourse on the matter.

And what are western news gonna do, just completely ignore his lies and not print anything about him, as all he says is lies?

He doesn't need to change the reality for his words to matter. He only needs to keep convincing the Russian orcs of his bullshit, so they keep going to war for him.

My wish is that there'd be someone near Putin who would see the light and Putin would "accidentally fall out of a window" or "suddenly and unexpectedly" die of a heartattack after having his afternoon tea. I don't have faith in that happening, but man do I wish it did.

I think the next leader would reconsider this "special military operation", even if they were a right-wing conservative.

But I don't have much hope... I heard about how Russia is trying to entice American conservatives to Russia. I thought it was something a bit exaggerated. But then I saw the bit on Jon Stewart where he showed Tucker Carlson visiting Russia. What. The. Fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM2h3KnWAWY

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