EndlessApollo

It's seriously insane how hard people are working to misinterpret you, there's no way people other than op are approaching this in good faith. You made it clear you're not a tankie, these people just can't stand the idea that their beliefs require proof or that there are people who aren't swayed by rhetoric alone (edit I def thought this was a tankie comment at first, that's how it sounded at first but you've made it abundantly clear that's not what it is)

"You're trying to prove a negative, they should just realize that" "they should just" is a pointless take to have on anything. people will never "just", they need convincing, and different people are convinced by different things. It's a tough subject to research, you've got one side claiming they're all nazis that deserve to be conquered and another that thinks they're all saints and can do no wrong, and I don't blame people at all for wanting evidence that the very real nazi groups in Ukraine aren't representative of everyone there, or even the whole military

Feels a lot to me like "Well imagine if you were gay in Gaza". Whether or not there's a lot of shitty elements to their culture, imperialist aggression is evil and civilians don't deserve to be killed and have their homes and children stolen, and the side you support should be perfectly clear from that alone (I say all this knowing I'm probably more likely to be hate crimed for being gay in Ukraine than Gaza, because again, a country having a lot of nazis doesn't excuse invasion and ethnic cleaning)

That's probably true of most things people think/say about the IDF at this point. Even my massively zionist "most moral military" aunt is calling it a genocide and is starting to oppose them

I'm cool with fighting for some things liberals also fight for, especially those kinda of voting reforms, bc along with ensuring conservatives lose every election, i bet it'd force liberals to actually appeal to the left to not risk losing to real progressives. Sadly they'll prob stop supporting that the moment it actually threatens to change the status quo at all

"as opposed to picking the non-fascist" Liberals are fascists. They have done nothing at all to oppose trump. When they stop siding with fascists over progressives literally every single time, maybe you'll have something remotely resembling a point

When there's 9 people at a table and a fascist sits, etc etc

THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR

QUIT EXCUSING YOUR UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR LIBERALS

Just say you love killing gazans and getting fascists into office, there's no other explanation for thinking democrats are even remotely decent

Tell yourself that all you want buddy. I wish I hadn't voted for her, it was stupid voting for someone who clearly gives no shits about fighting fascism or preventing genocide, and I won't be voting for blue presidents ever again bc they're only going to get further and further right

Wow til W made gitmo, I was too young to remember so I assumed it'd been a thing for decades

The people denying this are the same ones who screamed collusion the first time around, and this is infinitely more clear and obvious. Why are you so desperate to assert that trump won fair and square as it becomes clearer and clearer that isn't the case?

I'm just glad some of y'all are starting to realize, I remember getting banned from multiple communities for stating the obvious cx

Clearly anyone who cares about Gaza is an ML, good point. Quit blaming people who don't like genocide for Trump. This mentality, the way you blame everything on Trump and Russia rather than taking responsibility, ensures democrats will never will again. And I'm so so happy about that considering they're the left wing of fascism and do nothing to stop Trump besides basic party line shit, and how wholeheartedly they supported the genocide of Gaza

"while allowing the trump administration to operate unencumbered" every right wing accusation is a confession

Liberals have had over eight years to steady the ship, and they've spent that time alienating marginalized people and progressives and going farther and farther right with afaik no real resistance to trump. They've spent those eight years proving that we can't trust them at all to stop fascism or repair its damage. We should probably be pushing progressive democrats to start a new party with other more left people (though I'd fully expect republicans and the remaining democrats to team up and destroy their campaign so idk)