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Some Walmart employees say customers are getting hostile at self-checkout — and they blame anti-theft tech::When Walmart's anti-theft self-checkout tech alerts an employee of a missed scan, it can cause some uncomfortable situations.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 215 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You force me to check out my own groceries. Fine.

But don’t get pissed when I have a lot of groceries and have to move my bags because you gave me one square foot of space to bag everything. That’s often my biggest frustration. The robot thinks I’m trying to do some shady stuff, and I’m not.

[–] IrrerPolterer@lemmy.world 122 points 1 year ago (16 children)

The 'robot' isn't the problem. This design is intentional and human made. Here in the Netherlands self checkout is the norm, even in very small grocery stores. However, it's super easy and not frustrating at all, because the stores TRUST their customers. The self checkout is super simple, you scan a product and put it on your bag, or backpack or whatever you have. No need to weigh the scanned products or anything. Nothing overcomplicated.

Now there are some control measures, but they are designed in a way to not be too intrusive or create unnecessary frustration: First, most places have a gate at the exit that only lets you leave by scamming your receipt (or if you go paperless, you scan your membership card on your phone). Also, some places do random inspection. But that's frustration free too - a worker comes up to you with a hand scanner, scans like four or five random items of yours and leaves. Boom, done.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 100 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, you can’t trust Americans. They’ll steal your own land out from under you and Rob your grandma and call it good business sense. Saying this as an American.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Don’t drink the water. There’s blood in the water.

[–] Funkymatt@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And probably some forever chemicals, but we've made that everyone's problem

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Don’t forget microplastics.

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[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isn’t about the weight sensors, it’s using “computer vision” to detect you didn’t scan something and forces employees to get involved.

All the Walmarts I’ve been to have the bagging area weight sensors turned off. It seems the local grocery store finally turned theirs off because using a reusable bag used to set it off.

[–] sartalon 20 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I got pinged twice, in one visit because I moved shit around, trying to organize.

Way more false positives, in my opinions.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Honestly, those weight systems are so easily defeated, I don't even get the point. Anything that is measured by unit vs weight can easily be stolen.

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[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 101 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Remember everyone. If you see someone shoplifting from Walmart, no you didn't.

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[–] rauls4@lemm.ee 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
[–] TheGoldenV@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Ever since the pandemic, curbside pickup has been the norm at our house for groceries.

We use Kroger, not Walmart, but I had a recent experience relevant to share.

I was out running an errand and my spouse asked me to go grab a couple items from Kroger since it was nearby.

I hadn’t been inside the store in like a year, so I was surprised to see gates at the door that opened and closed upon approach and walking away.

Also, while shopping, at some point suddenly the wheels on the cart locked up, causing me to bang the ever loving shit out of my shins on the cart frame. That’s when I got to learn about the new “anti-theft” wheel lock tech being used on all carts now.

I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I wanted to flip the goddamn cart over and kick the absolute shit out of it… but I knew that wouldn’t help.

…But if I read a story about someone going and drilling holes in every single one of those cart wheels, or setting fire to them all, or breaking the gates, I would laugh.

I imagine as soon as someone gets something worse than bruised shins and brings a lawsuit against these stupid companies, we will see these stupid things go away… but until then, I’m not fucking stepping foot inside any store that has that bullshit.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The grocery store in my city became straight dystopian. It was always a sort of sketchy area but nothing that bad. After the pandemic, they added a second armed, vested private security in black, one-way turnstiles going in and out, increased cameras with screens on every aisle that showed you with the words "RECORDING IN PROGRESS". They even added locks to the frozen section, so you had to get an employee to help you buy ice cream. The police and security would tackle clearly unwell people who were shoplifting food, face pushed into the concrete type of thing.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The police and security would tackle clearly unwell people who were shoplifting food, face pushed into the concrete type of thing.

Cops can generally get away with that. Store security guards assaulting customers open the store up to a lawsuit.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The "bad" grocery store near me has taken to posting security cam pictures of people they catch stealing which is a terrible, awful, extrajudicial thing to do, but I would be lying if I said it does not make for some hilarious pictures. It's a big wall of shame right as you enter the store.

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[–] Furedadmins@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some loss is the expected result of replacing workers with customers. Even cashiers who are paid and trained to check out customers have a failure rate of about 1%. Walmart treating their customers like criminals for things that routinely happen to even their own trained and incentived employees is ridiculous.

[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

I'd get hostile too. This wastes literally everyone's time, employee and customer. Walmart and other companies already write off all their losses as tax write offs. It would actually be more cost efficient to do literally nothing. But it's not about preventing theft. It's about proving a point: that corporations control you.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 1 year ago

Maybe they should keep some non-self check registers open then. I was a grocery store cashier in high school and college and I got $20/hour for doing it (adjusted for inflation). Right now if I see a store only has self-check open I will walk out, what I want to do is start tracking my time then mailing in a 1099 and an invoice for my time.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I'd never think to harass the poor employee who has nothing to do with the store managenent's decisions...

However, when I'm pissed or tired I'll sometimes be rough or sloppy with the machine, and I get pissed if they have too few manned checkouts for how crowded a store is. Banging items against the scanner glass, tap selections on the touch screen forcefully with my ring etc.

To keep the self-checkout machines company, I'll act like a machine too. If I unsuccessfully attempt to scan something, after 5 tries I "timeout" and move onto the next item.

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[–] guywithoutaname@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't know about you, but I get annoyed that I still can't use NFC at checkout. It's 2023, tap to pay has been around in the US since 2016 and much longer in Europe.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really is stupid cause literally every business accepts NFC payments now. Even gas pumps. But not Walmart.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

From an employee I talked to it's because they have a specific contract with the payment processor and it requires using specific payment devices that are covered in the contract and they don't want off it for as long as possible because it gives them preferential fees.
So until the cost of business lost is enough to cover increased payment processing fees, don't expect to see tap to pay.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The last few times I've walked into a Walmart, the place has been a disaster.

Shelves empty and in disarray, no evidence that they ever did carry the product I was after, the building in an increasing state of disrepair.

I'm done with this company.

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[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course. Sometimes it doesn't work. Often times it's an honest mistake that a cashier themselves may have made. And now WalMart is treating you, a paying customer like a criminal.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not at walmart, but one of our supermarkets in town has two self-checkouts. I tried them a few times, and they were so f-ed up that I gave up on them. One time, the machine did not accept any cash, but was stuck in the menu choice "pay by cash" without a "back" button. So I took my stuff to the normal checkout, which had the problem that my steaks had already been scanned. Solution: leave a bag of 20+ Euro meat at the checkout, and get a new one from the butchers shop.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

normal checkout, which had the problem that my steaks had already been scanned

Lol, that meat had a serial number.

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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago (16 children)

It's funny, my local Walmart ditched the weight checking part of the self checkout so it's quick and easy, yet every time I go at least one person has managed to fuck up badly enough to need to call help over

Meanwhile I'm getting a decent discount on my purchase, which is nice

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[–] mister_seawolf@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't understand people that get upset and hostile at employees in these situations. When I go through self checkout I go in with expectations already set that it's very likely that at some point during the checkout process the machine is going to trigger an alarm and an employee will need to come over and override the alarm. It doesn't happen too often, but when it does my first reaction isn't to get all pissy and throw things at the cashier.

If you have no patience for this sort of thing, then go through the regular checkout. See if it takes longer going that route.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 43 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The store has chosen to save money by pushing work onto customers via a buggy robot overlord.

Employees are the only person you can complain to.

Just more billionaires making things shitty for everyone.

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[–] ITypeWithMyDick@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What regular checkout? Around here they are all closed down and only self checkout is available.

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[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would LOVE to go through a regular check out! If only we still actually had more than 2 open in a full supermarket. It's not about time taken, though, it's about the sheer level of inconvenience that it's become. It's an active pain in the ass to have to do the job that used to be done by employees, with shitty machines that yell at you every few minutes, while actively being recorded and treated like a criminal, and have to go through another checkpoint where they're going to once again actively treat you like a criminal and look through your receipt. Or I can spend like, 30 minutes in line at one of the two open cashiers.

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[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I think a lot of it has to do with that last part of your comment. The amount of times I've gone to the grocery store to find there's no register open other than the self checks or that there's 1-2 open at a huge grocery store with a 6-8 people in line for them and no self check line... People are being forced into self checking when they don't want to. These people are obviously going to be more easily upset by issues with the self check machines. Walmart in my limited experience (try to never buy anything there if I can avoid it) is the worst offender I've seen.

[–] Pasta4u@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I bought jelly and the age restriction went off. The clerk came and I had my ID out to check. We both had a laugh

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Normalize leaving your groceries in the cart and leaving the store, and finding another store that doesnt make you bend over backwards to pay for your shit.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Ohh man i fucking hate self checkouts with a passion the soulless passive agress voice. The voice annoynecemnts to scan rewards card to take groceries to take recipt the 3 different "would u like to dobate to x" that constantly swap wheres the yes and no button is. Then sometimes it just fucking freezes and cos the bloody product isnt heavy enough to detect and it wont give me the ability to scan something till the other thing has been put down. I have no multiply button so if im buying 30 of something then i have to get a godamn employee to go into the employee section and hit the multiply button or my inabiloty to remove something once scanned. It all pisses me ofd so much. I do however have to say aldi has figured it out and i hope they dont go down the route of everyone else.

It almost pisses me off as much as ordering food via a qrcode and then being asked for a fucking tip. Im in australia we dont tip cos we have a fucking decebt minimum wage. But why does the fucking robot need a tip it disnt have exemplary service its a fucking machine.

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