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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 21 points 10 hours ago

Lower, middle, and upper class is such an antiquated way of dividing people into groups to keep them at odds with each other.

The fact of the matter is, there are truthfully only two classes. The working class, and the capital class. 95-99% of individuals fall into some strata of working class. If you earn a wage, a salary, or a commission in order to purchase basic necessities- you are working class. If your money makes you money simply by existing, and your assets passively appreciating in value mean that you do not have to work for a living in order to buy basic necessities, then you are in the capital class.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 8 hours ago

Screwing the poor is a time honored tradition in capitalism.

From Cracked's article, 5 Cruel Ways Being Poor Is Expensive

  • Household Goods Like Toilet Paper Cost More For Poor People
  • The IRS Audits Poor People More Frequently Than Rich People
  • Poor People Have To Pay Extra To Access Money They've Already Earned
  • "New Customer Fees" Are Thinly Disguised Penalties For Being Poor
  • Nutritional Inequality Goes Much Deeper Than Food Deserts

From another article, 5 Screwed-Up Ways The World's Stacked Against Poor People

  • "Period Poverty" Is A Very Real Problem
  • "Transit Deserts" Keep People From Finding Work
  • Low-Income Housing Is Leaving Residents With Massive Energy Bills
  • Low-Income Neighborhoods Experience Longer Emergency Response Times
  • Low-Income Families Are More Likely To Be Audited

Finally, Why We Can't Stop Hating The Poor

  • We Have Laws Designed To Make The Poor Look Like Assholes
  • The Hate Comes From Some Unexpected Places
  • Poor People Smell Bad
  • The Poor Remind Us That Sometimes The System Is In Fact Bullshit
  • We Have To Believe People Deserve What They Get
[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Let the Leftist infighting commence!

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

pretty much. this entire thread is just folks arguing over the meanings of middle class, and most of them denying it exists as if that is going to create class solidarity. it won't. majority of posters probably are middle class folks who would never in a million years associate with truly working class people. esp because the working class is typically conservative and doesn't have liberal/progressive values, at least in the USA.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 20 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

how expensive it is to be poor

For anyone that needs the read, Terry Pratchett said it so well it is an economic theory now, the Boots theory.

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. ... A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. ... But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness.[4]

From Men at Arms by Sir Terry Pratchett

Also, a history of "people don't want to work" bullshit going back to 1894: https://thunderdungeon.com/2024/07/14/nobody-wants-to-work-anymore/

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

People don't want to work and are lazy is a bullshit talking point even older than 1894.

The first ever modern self-help book ever published (literally called self-help) was made a man with a lifelong history of business and financial failure and yet also still believed that it was no legislation or social assistance, but personal 'morals' and ethics are what gets people out of poverty and into comfort.

It was bullshit then and bullshit now. It is such a dark realization that what causes so much quality of life increases is not productivity or technology but legislation and policy.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It is such a dark realization that what causes so much quality of life increases is not productivity or technology but legislation and policy.

And that's how we got Prosperity Gospel: rich folk trying to justify their lazy asses hoarding wealth and complaining about the people who actually do the work wanting fair compensation for their time and effort.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 points 2 hours ago

Prosperity Gospel is a bit older than that. There was a time when people thought that being rich or becoming rich was a direct blessing from god... ironically the people who really first disputed that in Europe were the Dutch, whose trade and double-entry accounting laid the foundation of modern capitalism.

I should mention that in 1001 Arabian Nights, at least in the story of Sinbad the Sailor, Sinbad (as an old man telling his story to a young man coincidentally named Sinbad as well) that his fortune was more luck than anything. At least he acknowledged that.

[–] Silar@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago

Middle class, at least the income bracket that was middle class has been butchered.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 21 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Because middle class is used wrong in North America.

Poverty class is simple, you don't have enough to live.

Labor class is divided into three;

Low labor, your barely paid enough to scrape by.

Middle labor, your paid enough for your work to live.

High labor, you're paid well for your work. Perhaps you own your own small business.

Middle class, you aren't paid a wage or salary anymore, you're income comes from the things you own. As rich as a politician or nobility but not much political power.

Upper class, in old Europe this would be the nobels. Duke's, Earls, Lords, that type of stuff. In modern north America this would be the ultra rich. You have political power and you own a lot of stuff. This is where most representatives are.

Politician class, former Royal class. You rule, extreme political power and wealth.

Most people in North America think they're in the middle class when really they're in the Labor middle class, it's very different

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 29 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (6 children)

Working class is everybody who must work to live.

Wealth class is everybody else.

There is no such thing as a middle class, that is a lie. Everybody seems to think they're in the middle class, because that puts somebody below them, and gives them a reason to continue working under wage slavery. This is the purpose of the lie.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The fun thing is that everyone thinks they are middle class. When I was making €45k a year I thought I was middle class because I had an university degree and a leadership position. At the same time my boss, who had just spent €5mio acquiring a 50% share in a second company and owned three houses (two of which he rented out) also considered himself middle class because he wasn't a billionaire.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

because middle class is good and noble.

being poor or wealthy means you're an asshole and is considered shameful.

hence everyone is desperate to claim they are not rich and desperately afraid of being seen as poor by people richer than themselves.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I once had a friend, which gf had to send him like 10Euro per month, for him to get monthly more than minimal wage which was considered "middle class" for some fucking reason in this country.

He was so emotional about this shit, that I am still not sure if he was for real about that or not...

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Even well paid doctors are labor class mostly. Because even in the past doctors weren't as well paid as today.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Were you really born in 1944?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

most doctors come from wealthy families. and if you are anything above a PCP, you're making like 300K+ a year, you're not labor class. you're part of the 1%. yeah being a resident and an intern sucks balls, but you're taking a short term low age for a long term massive payoff.

80% of med students come from families making over 200K a year. that's a hard fact.

most of us who grew up in middle/lower class families never even dreamed of being a doctor because we knew it was basically impossible for us without rich parents to help pay the bills for med school.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 hours ago

This is something I want to address. Firstly, youre correct. The vast majority of medical students come from VERY privileged backgrounds and it shows. Hell, applications fees can run from 75 to 300+ bucks a pop and the MCAT itself is almost 400 dollars.

That being said, if youre smart enough to get into med school, you should do it. I grew up about as poor as you could, I graduated early and immediately went into working fulltime. After the dotcom burst I became an EMT then a paramedic and started working 72+ hour weeks to save up for my premed. I was MUCH older than your standard 23 year old med school applicant.

But even if you have a relatively decent job (65k in a low cost of living area), the finances work out to pull the trigger and get your MD. Without doing any self doxxing, I can say a relatively uncompetitive specialty paid more in one year than I made in 5 years as a medic. I took 2 years for premed, a gap year, 4 in med school and 3 for residency. 10 years total. Which I made back in 2 years and thats not including the pay as a resident which was actually a bit higher than medic pay.

Your circumstances might prevent you from being a traditional applicant, and AAMCAS needs to work on the financial gatekeeping. You can absolutely swing going to medical school if you have the desire, will, and capability to though. It will be hard as hell though.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

If you’re going to talk about class society, you might as well use the Marxist terms: proletariat, petit-bourgeoisie, and bourgeoise.

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 35 points 18 hours ago (15 children)

There is no middle class. There are only working class and wealth class. Just because you are high earner in an office job doesn't mean you're not working class.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 16 hours ago

That used to be true, pre-1980's, when the middle class was way, way bigger than it is today.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If you don't work with your hands but still need to work, you're middle class, no?

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

plenty of manual laborers make bank dude. a lot of office workers barely make a living wage.

it's more about your wealth, education, and lifestyle, not your the type of work you do.

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