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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/42161794

  • US plan would require Kyiv to give up land, accept curbs to military, sources say
  • French minister: peace cannot mean capitulation
  • US army delegation is visiting Kyiv

European countries pushed back on Thursday against a U.S.-backed peace plan for Ukraine that sources said would require Kyiv to give up more land and partially disarm, conditions long seen by Ukraine's allies as tantamount to capitulation.

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European Union foreign ministers meeting in Brussels were careful not to comment in too much detail about a U.S. peace plan that has not been made public. But they made clear they would not accept demands for punishing concessions from Kyiv.

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Moscow played down any new U.S. initiative.

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A U.S. Army delegation ... was in Kyiv [and] met Ukraine's top military commander Oleksandr Syrskyi late on Wednesday. Syrskyi said he told them the best way to secure a just peace was to defend Ukraine's airspace, extend its ability to strike deep into Russia and stabilise the front line.

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[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

"Let him have the Sudetenland, then there's peace." "Let him have all of Czechoslovakia, then there's peace." "Let him have Austria, then there's peace."

Those who refuse to learn from history... you know the rest.

[–] Klimaschutz@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

This is it: defend Ukraine’s airspace, extend its ability to strike deep into Russia and stabilise the front line.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Europe needs to support Ukraine a LOT more if they want to secure peace without American traitors

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Donald Trump is Lavrovs mouthpiece it seems. He’s just a russian bitch, even a traitor would have more morals than Donald Trump.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Not just it seems - very literally. He was trumps first foreign visitor to the Oval Office when they colluded in 2016 and he immediately gave up secret intel to him. Didn’t even allow in an official so they could guffaw in corrupt together.

Trump is a traitor, EU needs to get down to it in Ukraine while we try and rectify his situation.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Why was there no big rebellion by the patriotic billionaires? How could he be reelected if the people in power knew that he was colluding with Russia?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Money. He promised them a lot more than the other guy. Any patriotic billionaires are way more billionaire than they are patriotic.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Shouldn't there be billionaires who reveal the plan? There must be some patriots.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

I don't know who you have in mind, but I severely doubt it.