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    Linus vs Linus (lemmy.ml)
    submitted 6 days ago by mr_MADAFAKA@lemmy.ml to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    [–] kshade@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    Explanation: The guy on the right is Linus Sebastian, a tech youtuber running a fairly large media company. I'd characterize their output as being a mixture of news, reviews and Top Gear style fucking around with tech.

    A couple weeks ago he sent Linus Torvalds an e-mail, asking him if he'd like to do some sort of collaboration - mainly because of the name and because he's a personal hero of his. Torvalds quickly responded, telling him that it would have to be a "there can only be one" type situation, like in Highlander or Mad Max.

    So they shot something where they most are just chatting while building a computer together but did the bit for the intro. The video is not released yet.

    [–] Hupf@feddit.org 95 points 6 days ago

    https://xkcd.com/225/

    [–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 97 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    My money is on Linus

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    [–] exu@feditown.com 75 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Is this real?

    [–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 183 points 6 days ago

    Real as in "are they sword fighting to the death?" - no

    Real as in "have they come together in person to take a picture?" - likely yes

    [–] DishonestBirb@lemmy.world 111 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Yes, they recently shot a video together.

    [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 33 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    Link?

    [–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 110 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    Link from the CD-i Zelda games

    [–] Lawnman23@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

    CD-i Link has entered the chat…

    [–] Thorry@feddit.org 9 points 6 days ago

    Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me Princess

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    [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (10 children)

    Wow. I have a bit more respect for one than the other. The dweeb made a video where he pretended to try Linux and botched it on purpose

    [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 55 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Not on purpose in the way you are suggesting... he tried it all on his own in earnest, but made a dumb mistake not reading the prompt carefully enough or trying to understand it. But, he only got into that situation because of an error on Pop OS! maintainers' part. It was an unknown issue at the time until he uncovered it. OCAU thread that discussed the issue at the time

    [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

    I've done a long analysis of that incident on using the swiss cheese model, it boils down to:

    • There was a bugged version of steam.deb released that would throw an incompatibility with some weirder desktops, to include Pop!_OS' kind-of-not-quite-Cosmic-yet fork of Gnome. This incompatibility would have it uninstall the entire GUI. Including X11.
    • This bug was found and patched long before this. But, the bugged version just happened to be in the apt cache of the image of Pop!_OS that Linus installed.
    • Pop!_OS didn't perform an apt update at any point during the onboarding cycle, or when launching the Pop!_Shop.
    • Linus went to install Steam, the Pop!_Shop saw that scary warning about uninstalling the GUI, and refused to do it.
    • Instead of googling "popos failed to install steam" and learning how to update before installing, Linus yelled at the camera about Linux requiring the terminal, googled how to install it from the terminal.
    • Most install instructions for Debian-based Linux tell you to apt update and apt upgrade before an apt install, but Linus seems to have only found the apt install instruction.
    • Possibly because Windows always says doing something can damage your computer, Linus ignored the warning and forced the install to continue.
    • APT happily uninstalled X11.

    A lot of the fault falls on the design of Pop!_OS and how it handles the apt cache, that somehow neither the onboarding process nor launching the Pop!_Shop did it. Most of the time it's mostly not a problem mostly. But one time it was a major problem, on international television. In the same episode, Luke installed Linux Mint, and showed it prompting him to install updates, which refreshes the apt cache and prevents problems like this.

    Some of it does fall on Linus. Rather than attempting do diagnose and solve a problem, he threw a little bitch fit.

    [–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    What's notable though is Linus' experience is likely to be very typical of an average non-technical Windows user's experience when it comes to dealing with problems.

    To seemingly lose the ability to read when an error occurs and then just try and slam it through regardless instead of pumping the brakes and asking for help is all too common.

    [–] nagaram@startrek.website 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    I'm on year 5 of fully committed to Linux everything (minus work) and I still assume "oh yeah I can probably just sudo force the thing I want. Reading logs takes too long" and yeah it bites me in the ass sometimes.

    Its weird to hold Linus (Tech Tips) to such a high standard for no other reason than he makes tech YouTube videos.

    I'm a fucking sys admin and I make the same mistakes. Its human. I'm glad he's at least making Linux seem accessible while also bringing to light the realities of how different the troubleshooting strat is from Windows to Linux.

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    [–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Yeah I feel like anyone who blames Linus for this is missing the point. Was it dumb, yes, but if we want the average (or even a bit tech-savy) Windows gamer to transition to Linux then the distro they use needs to be resistant to this. Most people don't read shit, they just want things to work so they can play their games. And they'll happily click through multiple warnings to get there.

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    [–] Redex68@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (10 children)

    I don't get your logic. Why would he do it on purpose? He's been advocating for and promoting Linux gaming for years now, why would he fail on purpose.

    Honestly, what happened seems like something pretty normal for someone that isn't a programmer or system admin. I remember when consoles were black boxes to me and I wouldn't understand anything that was written in there even though today it might seem extremely obvious. It was just bad luck that his attempt lined up with a Pop!_OS bug, he didn't expect that such a normal use case as installing Steam would result in him deleting his desktop environment, and just saw the last line and did what it said.

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    [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    I really wonder why Linus Torvalds is giving that clown the time of day.

    [–] Johanno@feddit.org 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    The entertainment value of LTT is there.

    And also some informational. I don't care about the drama and don't think Linus is a saint or shit. The videos are good usually. The rest I don't bother.

    And the other one is is a genius, almost saint with anger issues and an enormous enrichment for the world community.

    [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (18 children)

    My problem with LTT is that they have demonstrated for years that quality and accuracy isn't a priority. They also aren't experts in tech. The drama stuff is just icing on an already bad image.

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    [–] Zozano@aussie.zone 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Forgive me if I sound ignorant, I don't follow the news around LTT that closely.

    Didn't the independent review fail to find any proof of workplace harassment?

    Or is there a new scandal or update I don't know about?

    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

    No, it's more just that LTT is basically what the Verge or any ther subpar tech outlet could be if it had actual writing talent and a hint of tech literacy.

    Emphasis on a hint of tech literacy.*

    Most people actually into the tech scene don't really watch LTT that often, or find their videos severely lacking.

    tbf, LTT does do a better job of providing the lens of an average consumer, and Torvalds has always kept the idea that FOSS really should not disqualify anyone from participating. He is happy to have Linux used and shown off by megacorps or individuals alike.

    spoilerLinus Sebastian's background is being a warehouse manager for NCIX, which is why he has a very blatant history of misrepresenting lots of products, software, technology, etc, just like your average consumer. He has gotten better over the years, but his content is not intended to provide intense detail, usually just a general overview, even if it includes testing.

    [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    There was more that was going on with LTT than harassment.

    Like receiving a loaned prototype that was meant for X card, using it on Y card, saying it was crap cause it didnt fit and didnt work, then selling it at auction.. Then coming out and saying he had been in contact with teh company to make amends and they have accepted it, only for the company to immediately torpedo by stating they've heard nothing from him.

    I'd wager things were not going well behind the scenes, either, with the mass exodus of major talent they had over the past year or so, either. Sure people drift in and out of jobs, but for you to have most of your big names all leave in a relatively small window.. That hints at behind the scenes shit maybe not being so bueno.

    And theres also the "just trust me bro" warranty on the stupid laptop bag, and him basically going on wan show acting offended and shittalking people who were calling him out for a long history of justifiable criticism against shitty warranties, only to pull the same.. but hes gods special angel, so obviously its different with him and how dare you question his glory.

    All in all, Linus just strikes as an insufferable twat.. and sadly it doesnt seem to be fame going to his head either, because he's been an insufferable twat on Camera since the goddamn beginning of LTT (I never saw his NCIX videos, but I would assume he was much better behaved on them, since he was representing someone elses brand and ran the risk of firing if he acted a twat), Especially when it comes to any valid criticism towards him, or his channel, or methodology.

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    [–] BanMe@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

    $o $trange

    [–] mysticalone@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    If LTT fans could read you're post, they'd be really upset with you

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    [–] Best_Jeanist@discuss.online 42 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    I hear Linus sleeps with nunchucks

    [–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 6 points 5 days ago

    as long as they're consenting

    [–] MIXEDUNIVERS@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 days ago

    Linuses takes aren’t always the best, and he can be pretty polarizing. But for fun and relaxation, his videos are good. He often plays the role of the average, non-tech-savvy userβ€”someone who genuinely doesn’t know better. The same goes for his β€œLinux Experiment.” I think it’s important for Linux to reach more average PC users and gamers

    [–] bungle_in_the_jungle@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Linus is taking his rants more seriously these days I see πŸ˜†

    [–] db2@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    The name of my sword? It's "go fuck yourself".

    [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

    You know what is also really sharp? This segue, to our sponsor.

    [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

    Well we have a guy who created the Linux kernel... and a shitty youtuber.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

    Sometimes, "Yes, do as I say!" just doesn't get the message through.

    [–] HouseWolf@pawb.social 27 points 6 days ago (10 children)

    I'm seeing double here, four Linus's!

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    [–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Who’s the other guy?

    [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Has this video been published yet?

    [–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

    it might be over an hour long, Linus S. said, so it might take some time.

    [–] GarboDog@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

    Video was shot and is being edited, recently teased on Wan Show

    [–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 16 points 6 days ago

    "May the sudo be with you"

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